I can't figure out why people think tying Firefly into Snake-Eyes's past "ruined" him. I agree that it was unnecessary to make him part ninja, but he was still the same character as evidenced by his speech and actions. And really, except for that goofy scorpion maneuver, how often did you see him do any ninja stuff?

I personally like the fact that the histories of Snake-Eyes, Cobra Commander, the Baroness, Destro, Zartan, Storm Shadow, and Firefly are intertwined. Sure it's a huge coincidence, but that doesn't stop me from thinking it's cool and that it adds a lot to the historical tapestry of the G.I. Joe universe.

To each their own, I suppose.

Turning Firefly into a megalomaniac who talks too much (including revealling his entire origin to enemies for no great reason), has an army of robots and engages ninjas in absurd cheerleader formations didn't ruin him?

C.C., Storm Shadow and Zartan I could handle. Once it got to the Baroness (and Hama fudged again by having her losing her evil nature) and Destro...that was too much. And that's the villains, add Hawk and Stalker to that, too. Too much soap opera...

Anyway, Hasbro's decided it do whatever it wants with the characters rather than maintaining old comic history. So it's almost a moot point.

Ah, I see where our opinions differ then. I like the soap opera.

Also, the school of villainy I come from is all about talking too much ("monologuing" as The Incredibles called it). And I still maintain that he was the same person he'd always been. When he boasts about how he found a way out of the freighter, but chose not to share it, thus condemning all his fellows to a slow death-- That strikes me as vintage Firefly. Oh, and he always had a penchant for talking too much. Recall issue 28 (or thereabouts), when he's wandering through the swamp after being dumped by Cobra Commander. He's talking to himself in that scene!

I'm not saying all these changes were good. I didn't like the Baroness as a good guy either, but I could buy it in Destro and Zartan. I didn't like Firefly's green costume, and as I've said, his ninjafication was unnecessary. But, I really don't think any of that ruined the characters. They just went off in unexpected directions.

And I did call the scorpion maneuver "goofy". I'm with you on that.

turning him into?
 

yeah thats right theres a lot of characters like recoil , rock n roll , dodger , salvo , they can play a role in the comics too , i like snake eyes but come on he is not a super human right , do u like spy troops the movie , guess who save the day at the end of the movie , ur favorite ninja again lol...

I don't think he's overused, as much as he is often used badly.

When he's written well, he's a genuinely interesting character. But when you turn him into some uberninja with the strength of ten men, he turns south really fast.

I like SE. But I do see where SE is over used and giving him super human abilities does take away the "humans make mistakes" about him.