*OFFICIAL* 25th Figures/Vehicles/Accessories, etc. Discussions ~Part 1

[Outrider]

I have to say I'm finding it difficult to be enthusiastic about what we have seen so far. The same old characters that have been done a dozen times, with qestionable articulation (and some unnatural proportions too). When I get one in my hands, I'll decide if the rest are worth wasting my hard-earned on. Until then they are of only mild interest to me. :rolleyes:
When the Joe line launched in '82/83, the characters were all new, and that's what I'd like to see now for the anniversary; some fresh faces to take us forward into the new millennium. If you follow a realistic timeline, Stalker, Snake Eyes, etc would all be into their late fifties by now. How many Snake Eyes figures does the line need? If it was a set of 25 new characters I'd be frantic with anticipation.

[yorktownjoe]

[QUOTE=Outrider]If it was a set of 25 new characters I'd be frantic with anticipation.[/QUOTE]

In 1982, the world was a lot less politically correct, and everybody was on board against terrorism - But Hasbro still would not have made "G.I.Joe - It's purpose, to kill a lot of evil dudes who took hostages in or near Iran..." Today, bad people mask their terrorism and blur lines that are not as clearly delineated. But if the governments of the world refuse to draw clear lines, I would highly doubt Hasbro would pull the trigger and give us villains of today. And frankly, I don't want things that "real" in my Joe-verse. I want a brief respite from the dark world we all live in. (Oops, got a little philosophical...)

But I do agree, fresh faces might help, as long as they try to keep the theme/genre nostalgic in some way. A small team of counter-terrorism against a cell of truly evil people. "G.I.Joe - A new strike force to counter a new threat!"

That might sell...?! Maybe. But I suppose we will take what we can get.

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]you know, i cant say that i want fresh faces. i mean i dont like the new faces we got the last few years. barrel row or steel brigade. i just dont like them. i mean their not in the cartoon universe, not the comic, so its just like creating something to sell. that of cource is what hasbro is doing, but as someone who buys them, i want something with a lil history, or that will be a part of history. as it is now, the steel brigade will only be part of history in that they were created and sold for no reason but to sell. i think it would be cool if they did it from less used characters, like cross country or dial tone, life line or big boa. still, i thyink their doing the right thing, i just hope we get a bazooka, dusty, quick kick, a snow serpent, a viper and a crimson guard. im sure that well see zartan, bludd, stalker and lady jaye. im also hopeing for the twins, and even though a lot of peopel dont want it, i want buzzer, torch and ripper. [/COLOR]

[Stormer]

Barrel Roll was in the comic, and played a pretty major role...

I like getting new characters to keep the Joe-verse moving and developing -- and new characters can still be Joes or Cobras done in the spirit of the line (just look at the Plague, Barrel Roll, etc), new wouldn't have to mean real-world politics-style anti-terrorism.

But for a toy release to mark 25 years of RAH GI Joe, I think it makes perfect sense to focus on the characters that helped make it last that long. As much as we fervently hope for Joe toys to continue, by its very nature an anniversary is a time to reflect on something's history more than reinvigorating it for the future. That said, an all-new sculpting style is a pretty odd way to go!

[Self-Modifier]

[QUOTE=Stormer]But for a toy release to mark 25 years of RAH GI Joe, I think it makes perfect sense to focus on the characters that helped make it last that long.[/QUOTE]

Hear, hear!

I was about to post the same thing, Stormer, but you beat me to it. I love new characters. I use a lot of the new-sculpt new characters from 2002-2004 quite frequently. But for a 25th anniversary set, it's only natural that you would re-visit the most popular characters of the past (even if many of them have been done to death). In my opinion, and I say this as someone who's just as tired of Snake-Eyes after Snake-Eyes as the rest of you, I would've been disappointed if the 25th anniversary of this iteration of G.I. Joe [/i]wasn't[/i] celebrated by bringing us new versions of old classics.

But then, I love all of what we've seen so far (save Destro), so maybe I'm a bit biased.

[Sonneilon]

Stormer's right. The 25th Anniversary is basically a "Classics" line. You want new faces and ideas, that's what Joe Vs Cobra, Spy Troops and Valor vs Venom as well as Sigma6 did/tried.

But just for the fun of it, let's try this out.
List of new characters.

[COLOR=Purple]2002. JvC. [/COLOR]
Dart. Showed up in the DD comic, had bad war experience, had nitemares, never seen again. Fact is, Hasbro lost the rights to a whole bunch of names. Roadblock and Spirit are the best known. Because of the loss of rights, Heavy Duty was used in the place of Roadblock and Dart was created for Spirit. Keep in mind that Scarlet became Agent Scarlet for JvC and Hawk became Gen. Tomahawk for a time. The change in titling the chars is a rights issue.

Cobra CLAWS. I think they showed up in the comic for a panel or two.

Cobra NeoViper. Showed up in the DD comic twice. First time, they were in formation. 2nd time, they got their butts handed to them by Destro. Probably Hasbro's attempt to create a new iconic generic trooper (like the Trooper and Viper) but the mix of gorilla arm and t-crotch most likely killed it's chance to be ultra-ultra cool. The rainbow of colors might have not helped too.

Cobra NeoViper Commander. All troops need leadership. lol. No support in comic or cartoon form.

2003 Spy Troops
Agent Faces. This was, iirc, the era where if a Joe dies in a comic, he's supposed to stay dead. That was ok'd by Hasbro. There was NEVER a list of who could be killed but it was more like, "can I kill so-and-so off" and Hasbro would say either, "yes" or "no". Agent Faces, in other words, was the replacement for Chuckles. I don't remember if he got comic time, but Spy Troops favored him as did Hasbro. *rolls eyes*

Crosshair. A tiny bit part in the DD comic. No time in the cartoons. IIRC, the LowLight name had been lost so Crosshair was created.

Depth Charge. Showed up in comic (iirc), no movies.

Kamakura. Liberal use in the comic and cartoon. DD's creation, Hasbro loves ninja, DD created a winner in Hasbro's eyes. The fans are so-so about the green power ranger.

Rampage. No time in comic or movies.

Red Spot. I don't remember if he showed up in the comic, but sure not in the movies. Replacement for both Flash and Sci-Fi. Nobody understands why Sci-Fi simply wasn't brought into the fold. Unless Red Spot falls under "new character".

Sgt. Hacker. I don't recall him in the comic and no use in the movies. Hacking must be all the rage. Nobody knows why he was made.

Switch Gears. I don't recall if he was in the comic and had no use in the movies. However, he is an excellent candidate to roll in the Patriot Grizzley for the traditionalist types that can't see Wild Bill in a tank. Like me.

Widescope. Short time in the comic, no movie time. Hasbro lost the rights to Shockwave.

Barrel Roll. Time in the comic, none in the movie. The real dynamic is that he has a sister on the team and a brother who has gone bad.

Blackout. Time in the comic, none in the movie. See above.

Burnout. No time in comic or movie. Hasbro says, "Let's create a new 'nok and make people mad for not doing Buzzer!!!"

Claws Commander. Shows up for a couple frames in the comic, no time in movie. Hasbro says, "We love gorilla arms!"

Coil. May have shown up in comic, no show in movies.

Heavy Water. May have shown up in comic, no show in movies. Someone at Hasbro was pregant. *shrug*

Overkill. Short appearance in comic, lotsa love in VvV. Was this an ARAH character?

Pit Viper. No appearance in comic or movie.

Sand Viper. No apperance in comic or movie.

Scalpel. Showed up in DD comic, no movies. Fans wanted a Cobra medic.

[COLOR=Purple]2004 Valor vs Venom[/COLOR]

Link Talbot. NO time in comic, made for movie.

Hard Drive. No time in comic or movie.

Hi-Tech. No time in comic, loved in movie. Both HD and HT take place of Mainframe.

Ninja Trooper. No time in comic or movie. Hasbro had considered doing a ninja spinoff.

Coil Crusher. No time in comic, in movie. Made for the movie.

Electric Eel. See above.

Neuortoxin. Time in comic, no movie. Made for theme.

RazorClaw. No comic, time in movie. Made for theme.

Snow Wolf. No comic, time in movie. Made for Theme.

Swamp Rat. No comic or movie. Made for theme.

Ven Max. No comic, time in movie. Made for theme.

Rollbar. No comic or movie.

Ghost Bear. No comic or movie.

[COLOR=Purple]2005 VvV[/COLOR]

Bombstrike. No time in comic or movie. See Barrel Roll.

Slash. No time in comic, time in movie.

Shadow Strike. No time in comic or movie. Made for ninja theme.

Tiger Claw. No time in comic or movie. Made for ninja theme.

[COLOR=Purple]2005 DTC[/COLOR]

Major Barrage. No time in comic or movie.

Cannonball. No time in comic or movie.

Medi Viper. May have shown up in DD comic, no time in movie. Fans wanted Cobra medic.

[Sonneilon]

So Lehsreh isn't getting jiggy w/ 'new' chars that don't have history and whatnot. Keep in mind, the toys were usually made first and Larry Hama was FORCED to use the toys in the comic. Hama had NO wish to create or use Serpentor but at that time, the comic was Hasbro's toy ad.

As for the cartoon, that became a popularity game. The only way to move forward with the line was to create new ideas and chars.

Can DD use these chars in their stories? Of course they can, but they choose not to because DD wants to do things THEIR way. They are telling THEIR stories just as all of us doing dios tell OUR stories. Difference is, you aren't PAYING for dios. DD is just as much as a popularity game and as the guys have said, everyone has to play nice in the sandbox.

Sure, some new chars sucked rocks but liking at the list, there's a lot of good ones too. Hasbro creates 'em, the filecards are usually considered canon and hey, most of us don't NEED the comic or cartoon to enjoy 'em.

[LordRaven]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]
Sure, some new chars sucked rocks but liking at the list, there's a lot of good ones too. Hasbro creates 'em, the filecards are usually considered canon and hey, most of us don't NEED the comic or cartoon to enjoy 'em.[/QUOTE]

Hear Hear, Sonne is totally right. It's TOYS yo, in the end of things, the comics and the cartoons are just icing on the cake. It's all about the Toys, and dang nab it, I love em, as I think we all do. We should be happy that hasbro even acknowledges Joes still, and we're getting some sweet revamps of our classic chars, and there have been some bitchin new figs lately. All hail the big H Machine.

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]thats all true. it is just toys and thats why we buy them. id just like to have more background for them, or at least a reason to have them. whats the deal with them losing the rights to some of the names. i never knew this??? where did you get this info?[/COLOR]

[LordRaven]

Ummm, this happened in 2000 when the collector's line came out, look at Roadblock and Baroness having different names. Some other company came along and trademarked thier names out from underthem. As for background, make your own dude. Look at the Interrogator. Everyone LOVES him, we all use him in our dios and we know SWEET JACK about him.

[Sonneilon]

This was pretty well known info from (probably) 1998-2002. There were very few JOe discussion boards but when DD opened their's up in 2001, a lot of guys were there. And a lot of stuff came to light. When Brian Savage Peterson jumped ship and created SavageSoundoffs.com, a lot of people jumped ship. Savage eventually left and SS became JBL. Then it went to Ring of Collectors and then it went back to it's own entity as JoeBattlelines.

Now here's the kicker. EEJ and Justin have explained this to me many times but I'm not sure how much I can remember accurately.

There are rights (copyrights) for all sorts of names.

The concept of Spirit, let's say, needs rights to
1. The Name
2. The likeness of the character in toy form.
3. the likeness of the character in print form.
4. the likeness of the character in cartoon/onscreen visual form.

You lose one of those and things can get messy. Someone like Hawk lost his names to Lanard (in fact, I believe Lanard grabbed all the names they could as quickly as possible cuz they are Walmart's army soldier toy division). There is, most likely, a HAWK figure under their toyline, Corps. So for JvC, Hasbro used General Tomahawk. Later on, it became General Abernathy. A lot of the characters suddenly had "-" around their codenames. That's how Hasbro got around a lot of the problems. Look for Hawk over on Yojoe.com and see how far you get. And then look up General Abernathy.

The only group that can do a canonized history would be Hasbro itself. You want history, read the filecards and make the history up yourself. People like to think that Hama's universe is canon but he's even said it interviews that he's telling the story of what he thinks GI Joe is. And the fact that it catered to SE and Scar and CC in the end, that was his story.

In the 80s, did any of us NEED the comic or cartoon to push a figure to want it? Not usually. I had Falcon and Tunnel Rat before I ever saw them in the movie and they were my fave. Flash was my 1st fave Joe in 82 and the comic had nothing to do with that.

[Sonneilon]

BTW, I believe the Steel Brigade was created during the late ARAH days.

And to REALLY mess with your mind, you DO know that some of the Joes are named after real people, right? And I don't mean The Fridge and Sgt. Slaughter. Like, some of the biggest fans in the GI Joe club had figures. Perhaps the name David Lane is known? He's aka Surefire.

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]yeah, i knew that. the sculpter who did a lot f the toys used his name backwards for dusty's last name and his actual face for letherneck. i didnt know about the names though. i was out of the joe loop for awhile, like im sure everyone was at some time or another. i always wondered why they did hawks name like that though.[/COLOR]

[Sonneilon]

Actually, I was trying to point out that people who could swing their wait (ie; the hardcore fans aka the Steel Brigade) had toys made of them. You wonder why articulated wrists weren't the norm?

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=lehsreh][COLOR=Red]i mean their not in the cartoon universe, not the comic, so its just like creating something to sell.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

That's the only reason Hasbro make any Joe toy...to make a profit, pure and simple. I know it makes sense to reproduce classic figures for an anniversary set, but I just can not get excited about Snake Eyes v.64, or CC v.51, or Destro v.33, etc. As stated, I would love some new characters, but I would also be happier if they redid some of the more obscure figures that have only had one or two incarnations.

[LordRaven]

[QUOTE=Outrider]That's the only reason Hasbro make any Joe toy...to make a profit, pure and simple. [/QUOTE]

80% of the toons in the 80's were half hour long commercials, look at He-Man, Thundercats, you name it....even Jem for frig's sakes. However...those toys were bad-ass. I miss my Lion-o figure with the light up eyes....

[gung ho]

i heard that the price was going to be $6.00 for one single pack and $25 for 5 of them just thought i'd let everyone know this :)

[Stormer]

It's kind of getting to its own topic, but I just wanted to chip in on the new characters outside the toys thing... A few from Sonneilon's list did make it into the comics, I'm sure - didn't a few Joes including Snake Eyes and/or Falcon go up against some Sand Vipers and the newly-cyborg Overkill? And Burnout had a few non-speaking appearances in some Dreadnok group shots, as did con-exclusives Crusher and Demolisher (or at least the one with Sagat's head).

I'd add VvV Croc Master to the list as he's stated as being a new claimant to the name on his FC (and is appearing alongside some Jungle Vipers in next month's America's Elite #21), and the ROCC driver Long Range is a different guy to the Thunderclap driver (think Sky Patrol Airborne). He's not been in the DDP continued-universe series but as far as I was aware it's meant to be the same basic Long Range as the Sigma Six guy.

Overkill from Spy Troops onwards I would not count as the RAH character because the Talking Battle Commander's filecard is vastly different, saying he was a prototype for a new BAT series but cost too much to mass-produce; no mention of cyborg parts. And there's the pedantic matter that the RAH one was "Overkill" and the rest have been "Over Kill"...! :P

Medi-Viper is interesting in that we saw the troop at the end of the Marvel run but it took over a decade for a figure to show -- classing them as a new character would mean including Kwinn and the other comic pack Oktober Guard characters who'd not been figures before...

Oh, it's all so convoluted! Is it any wonder that for the anniversary Hasbro probably just went to the local colleges & bars, asked random people to name some GI Joe characters, then took the most-given 25 names to make the "most popular characters" into new figures!?

[lehsreh]

[QUOTE=LordRaven]80% of the toons in the 80's were half hour long commercials, [/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Red]thats the truth. well for the most part. if you have the G.I. Joe seasons on dvd you can watch the extras. the thing the writers said they liked the most was the fact that hasbro never said " were coming out with this figure, so you have to do a 30 min show on him/her". i think they were smart enough to know that no matter who they had on the cartoon, it would only help sell figures, if you went to pick up shipwreck and you saw someone cooler, you would buy them too. and god knows i agree with you on snake eyes outrider. im sure everyone has saw me write a 100 times of how he was my fave character at first and now i think im at the edge of being anti-snake eyes. as far as the new characters go, i dont think i said it right when i said i didnt like them. i mean that is what i said, but what i mean is that i want new characters more like shipwreck, lowlight, bazooka, outback, or letherneck. i guess what im looking for in new joes are some gritty types. give them some facial hair and make them mean and dirty. the pretty boys like barrel row are great for customs but id like to see some new joes who look battle worn.[/COLOR]

[Sonneilon]

Get a load of this, Leshreh. People didn't want gritty Joes! I know, it sounds unreal but DD tried that with Reloaded and it bombed! Reloaded was also a redux of GI Joe, trying to start it over, which didn't quite work. GI Joe the comic sells around 20k. There's probably less than a thousand on the Joe boards combined. It's those OTHER guys who made Reloaded fail. (well, DD too, but uh, you get the idea. lol)

The game is, if you make a toy, it needs an outlet. 3.75" Joe simply didn't do well these last few years due to lack of cartoon and lack of marketing. Imagine if Hasbro pushed GI Joe as hard as the guys who did Pokemon back in 98? So the problem now is, EVEN if Joe is in B&M, how are they gonna market these to the non-internet kids? We already know that the online Joe thing didn't quite pan out (the collector base was not enough to make it 'successful').

Let's keep in mind that there are 15 OTHER figures to show up. We know Hasbro's TOP 10 and most likely that is THE CORE. You almost can't question it if this is considered a CLASSICS line by most people. (And if they punk us and repaint people, WE have every right to be pissed off. Cobra Officer the exception, of course.)

There is no reason why Shipwreck, LowLight (he was 85, right?) and Leatherneck (85 also? Or 86?) wouldn't be made. Hasbro cut the date at 1985, that's already been stated by them. Hasbro knows that people will recognize a duder like Duke or Snake Eyes or Cobra Commander before Leatherneck and LowLight, no matter HOW cool the latter two are. Personally, I'd like them to push till 87 so Falcon and Tunnel Rat could be made.

[Sonneilon]

Check out Justin's great shots. (http://generalsjoes.com/toyfair_07_gallery/index.htm)

Take another look at 'em. Uhmmmmm, I'll keep my mouth shut since all I saw so far was Gung Ho w/ ankles.

Good GAWD the Baroness has looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong legs.

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]OMG!!! i wish i hadnt looked, man. they werent too great at first, now they look... well i cant think of anything.[/COLOR]

[Acantilado]

[font=Tahoma][size=2]Alright, in those -great- images, we can see all the flaws of the figs: knees, anckles... I still like them a lot :)[/size][/font]

[Stormer]

I do think Scarlett looks really good...

And Cobra Commander looks constipated.

Destro's peanut head...guh... And the Commander looks like his helmet's more than a little snug, too

It's weird; for the most part I like them and as 3.75" action figures they look like they might be really good, but as GI Joes it feels like a little too much of a departure. I'm very interested to see them alongside old-sculpt Joes. And, um, old-new-sculpt Joes...

[Outrider]

Man. I'm lost for words. I had my doubts before, but these pics have confirmed my worst fears. This 25th stuff looks C-R-A-P. Very, very disappointing. :( R.I.P. 3 3/4" Joe.

[Sonneilon]

I asked about sculpting eras over on the JBL and all EEJ could give me was...

Classic sculpt.

Nu Skulpt.

Anniversary Design Sculpt (AD). But yeah, I have no idea what to call the 2002-2005 figures.

[General Scarlett]

I've got to admit that at the VERY FIRST SECOND I saw them, I thought 'ouch', then I looked at the posts on JBL and they 'sort of' grew on me. Now with these pics I am just really, really disappointed.......... :(
I'll still pick them up, if not to just 'have them'-using them is going to be a stretch. Except for the Cobra Soldier. His sculpt I can work with, since I never 'built up' any kind of an 'army' with them previously. :rolleyes:
As for the rest of 'em......................................let's just say that I have to place an order for O-Rings, screws & bust out my nail polish to 're-apply' Scarlett's hair when it fades again. As a matter of fact, my current line is making appointments for 'MAKEUP'!!!!!!!!! (please tell me SOMEBODY get's that last part?!?!?)

[nando]

damn i dont like them , too much articulation

[lehsreh]

[QUOTE=nando]damn i dont like them , too much articulation[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Red]yeah, you know thats bad to say, but honestly i think they would have been better with less articulation (im just spelling the way you did, dont really know myself,lol). just add more detail. still, i think we all want them.[/COLOR]

[rds13601]

They look different than the original photos. Another example of poor execution on Hasbro's part. Yuck

[Sonneilon]

I love added articulation if it's done right. But these don't look right and the figures aren't doing it for me anymore. THe proto shots were much better than these. I'm guessing these will be the production models w/ very small tweaks.

Dio-wise, I need the articulation. WHich is why I love the S6 stuff. Plus, the bigger scale is nice too. Trying to do a sword fight scene w/ the 3.75" is a headache. Especially when they don't have the swivel wrists. I admit, I kinda wish they stayed with o-ring. Ankles are nice, but not necessary.

[Lava Boss]

Not impressed, well, less ethusiastic actually, still won't know if I'll like them or buy them until I see them in person. :rolleyes: Yes, these are not production samples, probably, but still it's poor showing.

Cobra Commander has the retro weapon plug-in spot on his ack, which looks strange now. And his left hand appears to be a solid fist.

Duke, what the heck is up with his upper chest? Man breasts?

Destro still looks odd, his neck bolts seem overdone.

Roadblock, ye gods! I thought they just slapped Duke's head on there! He appears to have hair on his head and blue eyes?

Baroness...there's no great figure of her. I have feeling this will not change.

Gung-Ho and Roadblock had stupid eblow arm bands...to hide the articulation? Or what? Seriously, they look out of place.

Storm Shadow, yeah, broad shoulders guarantee limited arm poses...all the articulation points in the world are meaningless if they are hindered.


No o-rings, but they kept screws in the legs. :confused:

And another loooooong wait till summer...wake me up then.

[Self-Modifier]

Gotta disagree with the majority here. I'll admit, those pictures make them look pretty bad, but the photography is sub-par. Check out <a href="http://generalsjoes.com/toyfair_07_gallery/index.htm">General Hawk's pics</a> to see them photographed much better. The articulation is a little weird in places, and they do look a little on the thin side, but... Their heads! Their bright colors! They look like cartoon characters, and I love it! I do think the painters got carried away with the giant eyes, but I doubt the final products will look like that.

Cobra Commander is a masterpiece, and Destro has really, really grown on me. His head doesn't look as tiny as the original proto shot that we saw. Duke's head looks a lot better than the proto too, and I really like Scarlett's head. It looks so energetic. Also, it almost looks like Cobra Commander's helmet is removable! Possible hood accessory, anyone? The trooper's helmet looks like it might come off too. Still can't tell about Gung-Ho's hat though...

Anyway, I was a little let down after those first pics, but after seeing Hawk's, I'm psyched again. But I think we've established that I have different taste in G.I. Joe than a lot of the rest of you, so I'll be happy to agree to disagree.

[Sonneilon]

D'oh! Didn't update this to show off Justin's shots! Nutzenzola...

[nando]

holy cowwwww roadblock with hair and blue eyes come onn :mad: n......

[Acantilado]

[QUOTE=Self-Modifier] Also, it almost looks like Cobra Commander's helmet is removable! Possible hood accessory, anyone? The trooper's helmet looks like it might come off too. Still can't tell about Gung-Ho's hat though...[/QUOTE]

[font=Tahoma][size=2]I thought the same about the trooper; not sure on CC, but the helmet has something that makes you think it might be possible. On the other hand I don't think Gung-Ho's hat is remobable, as the head is clearly cut under it.

As for Roadblock's eyes, notice that all the figures but Baroness have blue eyes; there is still hope for it to be simply a random color used for these protos.

What I most dislike is Scarlet's neck: too long; and Destro's legs look a bit weird, as well as the "neck collar" of his helmet.
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[Fantom]

For the most part, I think they look better then the initial pics. But there are a couple that left me going "WTF". For instance Roadblock. He is missing his facial hair and he has hair on his head and he is smiling??? Then there is the Baroness...man shes ugly. Then they throw out Destro who looks plain fantastic as well as Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow. I'll pick them all up though.

[rds13601]

To me, the figs aren't gonna appeal to everyone. However, I'll probably get all of them just to have them. The Storm Shadow and Cobra trooper are alright and the rest are so so. I don't like the articulation in the ankles and removable wrists. Depth Charge would have been a cooler figure without that stuff. Anyway, I'll take the gruel that Hasbro serves up. It's better than nothing, ya know. One thing I learned in life is that you're not always gonna get exactly what you want. If you expect less, life will seem more pleasant. i.e. these new figs

[Sonneilon]

LOL!

I agree that Hasbro can't and won't make people happy, but I just feel they could've done a very different job. As it stands, I'll probably buy these. Maybe 2 of each; 1 moc and 1 loose. I do like Destro, SE and Gung Ho. The Cobra Trooper's been moved pretty far back. :( CC is still at the end.

[Self-Modifier]

[quote=Acantilado]On the other hand I don't think Gung-Ho's hat is remobable, as the head is clearly cut under it.[/quote]

Yeah, I agree. But I can still hold out hope!

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]:( CC is still at the end.[/QUOTE]

If you don't mind my asking-- Why? He's probably my personal favorite out of the whole bunch!

As for other comments-- I agree that they probably slopped some blue paint on all of them because it was likely all they had handy for these mock-ups. I would be willing to bet real money that the production figures will have different colored (and better painted) eyes.

Likewise for Roadblock... I'd say it's entirely possible that they didn't have the mock-up's head ready so they stuck someone else's head on the body. A sloppy way to do it, yes, but what else might they have done aside from show us a headless figure?

I agree the Baroness looks nerdy... But isn't that part of her look? She's everyone's favorite nerdy bad girl!

...Or at least, she's mine anyway...

[Sonneilon]

It seems like every version of CC has been a slight evolution of the original design. Other than this one seems to have a big head, he's just boring looking. Now, one could say that Scarlet is equally as boring and I'd agree. The designs of 1981 (you gotta figure the design process is 80 or 81 and then released in 82) were pretty conservative. Which is fine and all and it's nice that Hasbro is giving them the modern day sculpting but CC looks just like CC. Nothing dramatic in terms of changes. I had hopes and personal ideas on how the 25th should go.

I prefer my black VvV CC over the 25th one.

Maybe, just maybe, if CC were hooded, I'd like him better.

[Self-Modifier]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]It seems like every version of CC has been a slight evolution of the original design. Other than this one seems to have a big head, he's just boring looking. Now, one could say that Scarlet is equally as boring and I'd agree. The designs of 1981 (you gotta figure the design process is 80 or 81 and then released in 82) were pretty conservative. Which is fine and all and it's nice that Hasbro is giving them the modern day sculpting but CC looks just like CC. Nothing dramatic in terms of changes. I had hopes and personal ideas on how the 25th should go.

I prefer my black VvV CC over the 25th one.

Maybe, just maybe, if CC were hooded, I'd like him better.[/QUOTE]

So the things you dislike about him are the exact same things I do like about him. That actually makes sense to me. I love that he's basically an exact re-creation of v1, but I can definitely see how someone who would like to see new takes on these characters might not go for it.

[Sonneilon]

I think maybe the problem is that I don't see any improvement on this one. Like Gung Ho has bigger grenades, Snake Eyes has a tighter sculpt, Scarlet is more babalicious, Duke's eyes are close together, you get the idea. I guess what I want is definitive versions but I need to be able to use 'em in a dio. I could see using Duke and Gung Ho but CC reminds me too much of the cartoon to take seriously.

[Self-Modifier]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]CC reminds me too much of the cartoon to take seriously.[/QUOTE]

I hear you. I think that's a problem a lot of people have with these guys, while, as I said, it's exactly what I do like about 'em. But like I said, to each their own. I can see how people who prefer their Joes realistic might not go for some of these. But to me, the cartoon look is the definitive look, so I'm pleased as punch.

[cobra firefly]

how tall are these??

[Sonneilon]

They're supposed to be 3.75" aka 1/18th scale.

How many of y'all really think they'll be that scale or closer to 4"? Or 6" or 8" or or or or or or

[General Scarlett]

They sure as hell don't instill any confidence in me that they'll be 'to scale'.......

[yorktownjoe]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]They're supposed to be 3.75" aka 1/18th scale.

How many of y'all really think they'll be that scale or closer to 4"? Or 6" or 8" or or or or or or[/QUOTE]

They looked like my son's 6" Spider-man. Can anyone speak to the mighty variance in Roadblock from the "artist's rendition" to the "toyfair pic"version? I mean please. Those headsculpts aren't even in the same geometrical strata!! And one has a sweet fancy .50 cal, while the other seems to have hijacked an over/under M-16/203 combo from Leatherneck. And I looked at the toyfair pics and Duke's and Roadblocks mugs look identical in cheek construction.

Hard to tell from a pic though. Anyone else have any thoughts!?
--appended comment--- never mind, I read back through all the pages, and I received your thoughts. I'm behind on my reading. Please forgive me since it was already covered.

[Sonneilon]

Hey Joe... If you want a REAL trashing of people who don't read previous pages or even posts, check out the JBL. During ToyFair, people were getting thrashed for 2x and 3x posting of the same stuff. At least here, I didn't get 3-5 stupid posts of people posting, "PICS FROM TOYFAIR" and then a link to Justin. ANd TNI. And whoever else! In that way, it's nicer that this place is smaller.

[General Scarlett]

This is going to sound completely juvenile but I don't mind.......

Just take the 'ORIGINAL' molds, remanufacture the worn out or missing ones (I mean honestly, NO ONE has a freakin' blueprint?!!?!?!? That's just a regoddamned ridiculoulsy assinine thing to think!!) AND RE-RELEASE THE 'TRUE ORIGINAL' G.I. JOE FIGURES FROM THE LAST 25 YEARS............

Stop with all this 'NEW' crap.....................


I'm going to go to the post office now...........peace!!! :p

[Sonneilon]

It's been stated by Hasbro that they HAVE lost several molds over the years. The main story is that Hasbro lent out a whole lot of molds and they were 'lost'. Be it they fell off a freight ship, stolen, resold to another company by the company it was lent to, etc. Tis the reason why a lot of the vehicles never got made again. Particularly the Skystriker.

[General Scarlett]

Oh I know-in fact Jay & I are conversing about this over in 'No more 3 packs'.

My whole thing is that there is NO ONE who has a blueprint somewhere to re-manufacture the molds???? I just cannot believe this....it's too too stupid to comprehend!!

Sell the blueprints on Ebay-or I'll just learn how to make 'em & share the glory with all of 'my guys'!!!!

[Sonneilon]

I didn't catch that thread until this one. Jay's right on all points. WHich means, he can be a minister of information here too!

I'll assume Jay mentioned this, but to create new molds, it is really expensive. Now, I don't know why it'd cost bundles, but there's talk that it's literally 10s of thousands of dollars to do the molds. And they are heavy. It wouldn't be cost effective to create new molds for something they won't profit from. I'm looking at you, DOC!!! :P

[Sonneilon]

I didn't catch that thread until this one. Jay's right on all points. WHich means, he can be a minister of information here too!

I'll assume Jay mentioned this, but to create new molds, it is really expensive. Now, I don't know why it'd cost bundles, but there's talk that it's literally 10s of thousands of dollars to do the molds. And they are heavy. It wouldn't be cost effective to create new molds for something they won't profit from. I'm looking at you, DOC!!! :P

And let's face it, Hasbro's crew will also play favorites. You think they remember Doc?

[General Scarlett]

Blah, blah, blah-they contract this crap out to third world countries & use it as a tax write off when they don't 'recoup' their costs (whch BTW they ALWAYS do, they market all over the world for god's sake!!!)

All I'm saying is that ANYTHING is possible & these people should really take their heads out of their @$$es long enough to see that!! But they won't and we'll all just spend our time bitchin' about it................

I'm sorry for injecting a woman's perspective into this.........please forgive

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]Get a load of this, Leshreh. People didn't want gritty Joes![/QUOTE]

...but I like gritty Joes! :( Seriously though, it is an expensive process to make new molds or dies. The last die we had made at work several years ago cost us over $10,000 Aus (around $8,000 US). Alot of the expense is in the precision required and the metal that is used, as it has to be specially hardened. So if you think along the lines that to recreate an old figure with new dies, with 10 or 15 body parts, that's a lot of cash to outlay for a figure which might not sell well. :eek:

[General Scarlett]

So don't get a raise for a quarter!! They make more money than their ever going to spend already!!!!!




WOW!! I need to get out of the house-RIGHT NOW!!!!

:D

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]i went over on general joes and looked at them again. if these are the final product then i think they all went down at least 3 notches since we first saw them. i mean they werent the best at first, i liked gung ho and the trooper, but now they even look bad. i havent read every reply in this thread, so im gonna ask again. are the color changes over on general joes what the final product will look like, i hope not because i would rather use the comic scarlette, that i have instead of this one. they couldnt have made her any worse if they actually tried, and what the bloody blue smurf did they do to gung ho's abs, and what is that on CC's back??? one would think that if they wanted to try one last push for the 3 3/4 line then they would have made them at least as good as the promo version. maybe hasbro still has some of the guys from kenner, you know since they bought them out way, way back and the kenner guys still have a grudge against them because they were big star wars fans,lol. that would explain a lot.[/COLOR]

[Sonneilon]

I know, Craig. I like the gritty too. But for some reason, a lot of the internet fans don't. I'm not sure why. I think if Joe (not cobra) went back to hard military, it'd sell better. But then, it might look like Corps or BBI stuff. That's not so good.

[Sonneilon]

Lehsreh. The original CC had a funky cut out to put his laser gun on. We are assuming that the 25th CC has it too.

As for the paint schemes, these are still prototypes. I'm sure Justin wrote up a report somewhere. THere'll be small changes here and there but for the most part, those are the figures we are getting. I totally agree that the figures do NOT look better than the Hasbro mock-ups. Consider this too. Justin's pics are faaaaaaar better than any other websites so now you can really see the negatives.

And yet, I'll still get these. Probably do another Joeverse for these. Like most of the figures that have been released, these need to be in YOUR hand for a real opinion. Hasbro has had a really bad time advertising their figures, imo. Take Major Barrage. Boring looking on the screen. MOC pics aren't all that neat either. But once you have him, he's really cool. Then again, you can't save Link Talbot any way you try! lol

[rds13601]

Dude, Hacker was on Cobra island with Jinx, Mercer, Sci Fi, Flash, and Mainframe in the Cobra civil war between the coil and Cobra Commander's forces. YAWWN!!

[Sonneilon]

Hacker showed up? He got shot, didn't he? Thanks for the correction!

[rds13601]

Why yes, yes he did. Too bad it wasn't a catastrophic wound. You'd think the Coil woulda shot his stupid glasses off his head. Instead the shmucks at DD had to kill Flash and Mainframe. Sometimes you gotta wonder what the hell people are thinking. :confused:

[snipesfg17]

I think Gung Ho, Snake eyes, storm shadow, cobra trooper, and Destro are great. That puts H at 50%, not too bad I would say. The other figs are cool enough; I will own them all. I really hope they single pack the troopers though.

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]i think most of us will, and should buy them. if only to add to our collection and to hopefully make hasbro think about bringing back or at least keep the 3 3/4 alive in some small way.[/COLOR]

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=lehsreh][COLOR=Red]i think most of us will, and should buy them. if only to add to our collection and to hopefully make hasbro think about bringing back or at least keep the 3 3/4 alive in some small way.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]


You know what? If this is the future of GI Joe, I'd rather it didn't come back. Better to die with some dignity than to pump out exaggerated, farcical cartoonish caricatures. I doubt very seriously that I will waste my hard earned on the 25th anniversary rubbish. The money I save by not buying them can go towards army building some decent figures.

[NemesisEnforcerFan]

[SIZE=3]*Yawans* [FONT=Palatino Linotype]Oh dear.. oh dear oh dear.. I can't believe I've just read 4 pages of people complaining.. and to think after seeing the pictures myself I thought people might back them.. here is what I saw so far on the thread..

[damn i dont like them , too much articulation] - wtf?

[Now with these pics I am just really, really disappointed.......... ] Disappointed at what?

[Man. I'm lost for words. I had my doubts before, but these pics have confirmed my worst fears. This 25th stuff looks C-R-A-P. Very, very disappointing. R.I.P. 3 3/4" Joe.] Oh the drama.. RIP G.I.JOE? I don't think its as bad as that.

[They look different than the original photos. Another example of poor execution on Hasbro's part. Yuck] - it seems you wasted a post just to jump on the bandwagon.

I have to disagree with most of the above comments.. things like damn I dont kike them.. too much articulation.. jeez.. at least break it down and tell us why you dont like them? You wasted a post to put like one sentance. :rolleyes:

As far as these figures go.. anything with added articulation.. I'm going to give a chance.. and.. as for the actual size and figures.. I really think these might become quite popular.. and collectable. I'm still excited by the prospect of getting some newer joes in the summer.. and as already mentioned in the thread here.. it will be interesting if anything to see how they fit to scale with the other figures currently out there. Roadblock with blue eyes and a smile is a new one on me but nothing to get in a hissy fit about. [/FONT][/SIZE]


*sorry Nem, i had to make your size a bit bigger...*

[General Scarlett]

Speaking from my personal point of view, it's not that I HATE them per say, I just do not see them interacting with my current collection. I'll end up buying them, I mean they are G.I. Joe after all, but they are going to sit in their wrappings. I'm really old fashioned on something like this. I used my allowance & holiday money growing up to buy the G.I. Joe toys that I now post her on this site......to me, these are not compatible. Their nice enough looking, don't get me wrong!! But in a world where I have NO CHOICE but to accept change, THIS is one change that as a woman & toy collector I don't have to like.........

That's my personal opinion..................as for everyone else......their on their own!!

[Self-Modifier]

[QUOTE=NemesisEnforcerFan]*Yawans* [FONT=Palatino Linotype]Oh dear.. oh dear oh dear.. I can't believe I've just read 4 pages of people complaining.. and to think after seeing the pictures myself I thought people might back them.. here is what I saw so far on the thread..
...
As far as these figures go.. anything with added articulation.. I'm going to give a chance.. and.. as for the actual size and figures.. I really think these might become quite popular.. and collectable. I'm still excited by the prospect of getting some newer joes in the summer.. and as already mentioned in the thread here.. it will be interesting if anything to see how they fit to scale with the other figures currently out there. Roadblock with blue eyes and a smile is a new one on me but nothing to get in a hissy fit about. [/FONT][/QUOTE]

Thanks, Nem! I'm glad to see at least someone else likes them! And I mean, likes 'em, as opposed to saying they don't like them but will buy them anyway.

As I've said, there are aspects of them that I don't like, but for the most part I think they're phenomenal, and how the line should have been relaunched in 2002.

Of course, once I get them in my hands I could suddenly decide that I hate them, but I really don't see that happening. I love how the entire Joe community seems to be rent asunder by these things though. It's kind of funny.

[Sonneilon]

The mock-ups Hasbro gave us were pretty darn cool. But seeing the models at ToyFair (which are closer to the production models) leaves a lot to be desired. Sure, we can expect lil changes here and there but I'm just not feeling them as much as I did 2-3 weeks before ToyFair. The extra articulation is wonderful (imo), but the ankle joints don't quite look right. Like they could've done a better job blending things in. The SW Clone Troopers are wonderful like that.

I've decided I'll get them. And I'll probably do a whole 'nother 'verse 'or 'em unless they somehow look like they can fit in with the 2002-2005 figures. Hate 'em? No. But it's not what I expected in terms of production.

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=NemesisEnforcerFan][SIZE=3]*Yawans* [FONT=Palatino Linotype]Oh dear.. oh dear oh dear.. I can't believe I've just read 4 pages of people complaining.. and to think after seeing the pictures myself I thought people might back them.. here is what I saw so far on the thread..

[damn i dont like them , too much articulation] - wtf?

[Now with these pics I am just really, really disappointed.......... ] Disappointed at what?

[Man. I'm lost for words. I had my doubts before, but these pics have confirmed my worst fears. This 25th stuff looks C-R-A-P. Very, very disappointing. R.I.P. 3 3/4" Joe.] Oh the drama.. RIP G.I.JOE? I don't think its as bad as that.

[They look different than the original photos. Another example of poor execution on Hasbro's part. Yuck] - it seems you wasted a post just to jump on the bandwagon.

I have to disagree with most of the above comments.[/FONT][/SIZE]


*sorry Nem, i had to make your size a bit bigger...*[/QUOTE]

You are quite entitled to disagree with most of what you have read, just as you are entitled to your opinion on the 25th anniversary figures. All I ask is that you please don't dismiss the opinions of those who disagree with you with a "yawn". I'm happy for you that you like the new figures and will buy them. I don't like them (for clearly stated reasons) and so won't buy them. Hopefully we can all continue post our opinions here without being disrespected by those who disagree with us.

[NemesisEnforcerFan]

[QUOTE=Outrider]You are quite entitled to disagree with most of what you have read, just as you are entitled to your opinion on the 25th anniversary figures. All I ask is that you please don't dismiss the opinions of those who disagree with you with a "yawn". I'm happy for you that you like the new figures and will buy them. I don't like them (for clearly stated reasons) and so won't buy them. Hopefully we can all continue post our opinions here without being disrespected by those who disagree with us.[/QUOTE]

[FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=3]Thats cool and all but my post was really aimed at those who criticised without a comment to state why they were rubbish.. you in particular didn't really state on the first post I highlighted what was crap about them.. hold an opinion but at least back it up with something rather than a drama queen comment .. "Oh gosh R.I.P GIJOE" .. c'mon play ball.. I admit your follow up mentions
[[ exaggerated, farcical cartoonish caricatures.]] is the reason you wont be making a purchase but the vast majority here seem to be bandwagon jumping with stupid one line sentances.. which is pointless.. and utterly unproductive to the thread... hence my yawans.. [/SIZE][/COLOR].[/FONT]

[G.I.*Jock]

The figures are fantastically well sculpted and look like amazing action figures. But the fundamental traditional aspects of G.I.JOE are lost on these figures. Things that make G.I.JOE the toy that it is.

I doubt I will say anything that hasn't been mentioned already.

I'm not sold on the articulation, I liked added articulation, but like in the Style of Depth Charge of Spytroops Snake Eyes. Not stupid looking chests... whats with that?

The sculpting is beautiful, no doubt about it, but whats with the daft proportions? Some of the VVV stuff looks better. I'd rather have awful figures like the VVV Tunnel Rat than figures that don't look like Joe's. I was in a sci-fi shop in Edinburgh a week ago. They had some of the new Hasbro offerings under the Marvel license. I'm sure I saw figures like the 25th anniv Joes, they might have been Fantastic Four. I can't remember. I'm sure they were blue though... They were 4 inches tall, give or take. Identical style articulation. It looked hideous compared with my beloved original style Joes. Even the new sculpt Joes from 2002 onward shared some design characteristics with those figures that came before it. I'm now very scared that what I saw is gonna be like the Joe's that are to come.

Tradition... Oh my, I thought Hasbro would have learned after the T-crotch fiasco... it seems not. The O-ring and customising possibilities of the pervious varied sculpts of Joe's have always been a hit with collectors. It seems we are losing the O-ring again. I wonder if there will be an uproar amongst collectors like there was years ago.

Again as some have pointed out, I can't see the old figures blending in with the new anniv line. The will look awful I think. Nothing in common at all.

It saddens me a lot that while these new action figures look fan-bloody-tastic, They will be sold as G.I.JOE because G.I.JOE, they most certainly ain't!

There is a great deal of hope that with these new style figures, G.I.JOE will be a force again in the toymarket like it was in the 80s. I hope so too. But I can only hope Hasbro doesn't forget the roots of the figure design entirely and stop selling old style O-ring figures. Which I fear will be the case.

I can't believe Hasbro have been so unfaithful to the design lineage of Joe. Perhaps its evolution. But to me Hasbro is using the 25th anniv to re launch the characters to kids. I'm in no doubt that the anniv line isn't for collectors. For me Hasbro have decided that the current figures aren't working. I think its a case of Hasbro not working. So many wrong decisions between colour scemes, releases and lack of marketing. For me, H has taken it for granted that collectors will buy the 25th anniv line because they carry the Joe name. I know I for one will probably do so. Even though I don't like them and think they are awful. I will still probably buy them.

That my sound crazy given everything that came before in this post, but whether the sculpt was old or new, the ugly Star Brigade, or the Fabulous Night Force subteam of the 80s, or even the awful neon Eco Warriors, they were still Joe's, that was there for all to see. That gave me a huge sense of tradition and pride. But I just can't get that with these new figures. I'm left luke warm. Mostly because while they look like who they are supposed to be character wise, they don't look like Joe's.

I find that almost heart breaking.

Hasbro has pee'd on us from a great height. I have a feeling they will do again if these figures take off amongst kids.

RIP G.I.JOE? Perhaps not quite... But the original styled Joe's are probably deader than disco, as Cobra Commander would say.

Where does that leave collectors like me? I don't really know.

For me, Hasbro have turned what should have been the collectors line of Joe's into a major relaunch and retail offensive in the action figure market. The 25th anniv is just the excuse and publicity they need to get it going.

For sure, Hasbro have let the die hard collector down. But in saying that some die hard collectors will buy it anyway, like me most likely! :eek:

Anyway this post is huge and I'm leaving it there.

Good luck to Hasbro with the new anniv line. If they thought collectors let them down with the DTC stuff, I think the majority will pass this stuff up too. Hasbro may well be in for a shock. Why didn't Hasbro just stick to something more traditional. The thought of the 25th anniv has kept me going through these dark quiet DTC months. If I knew Hasbro were going to do this I wouldn't have got my hopes up. I was a fool to get them up anyway I suppose! I should have known better!

Dave

[General Scarlett]

WOW Dave, VERY nicely put!!!! My hat's off to you......... :cool:

[Fantom]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]They're supposed to be 3.75" aka 1/18th scale.

How many of y'all really think they'll be that scale or closer to 4"? Or 6" or 8" or or or or or or[/QUOTE]

I am betting they will be in scale with the Marvel Legends Showdown figs since construction looks to be very similar. Also, Hasbro has compared the new construction the that of their Super Articulated Clone Trooper so I am saying they will be very close to the 3.75" scale.

[G.I.*Jock]

[QUOTE=General Scarlett]WOW Dave, VERY nicely put!!!! My hat's off to you......... :cool:[/QUOTE]

Jings Scarlett, I thought it was daft unstructured long winded ranting, but I think I got my feelings and points across. Thats all I cared about! :D

No planning went into it. I typed what I think/thought. So I appologise for the length etc.

I loved yer Declassified comic by the way! :cool:

Dave

[General Scarlett]

Well, just typing what you feel is always the best way to go!! ;)

And thanks!! I'm pretty fond of it m'self!!! :)

[Sonneilon]

What's wrong with you guys???

We're GI Joe fans! We're supposed to blindly buy what Hasbro makes without question or thought! This I command!

*snicker snicker*

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=NemesisEnforcerFan][FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=3]Thats cool and all but my post was really aimed at those who criticised without a comment to state why they were rubbish.. you in particular didn't really state on the first post I highlighted what was crap about them.. hold an opinion but at least back it up with something rather than a drama queen comment .. "Oh gosh R.I.P GIJOE" .. c'mon play ball.[/SIZE][/COLOR].[/FONT][/QUOTE]

"RIP GI Joe" was a statement of my feelings; if this is the style of GI Joe to come, then for me it is RIP GI Joe as I won't buy them and will be out of the hobby for good. As for drama queen, I'll assume you didn't mean it, and let that one slide for now out of respect for everyone else who posts here. If this is the kind of attitude that will prevail in these forums from now on, where people don't respect other's opinions and resort to childish name calling, then I'm outta here. Adios!

[ender098]

They look like 3 3/4 inch S6 or some kinda Japanese toy from a MAnga Comic. I wanted them at first but after seeing the pics without the "Hasbro" lighting and artistry,(hasbro make their "crap" look good? Say it aint so!!) I'm gonna have to pass. They look horrible to me. I may get them (out of Loyalty to the GI Joe Brand, NOT TO HASBRO or this crappy product they put out!) , but I honestly don't think I'll use them. Like Sonneilon said, articulation is good if done right. But Gung Ho looks like John Basedow. (you know, that constant hunch so his muscles seem tight in his abs..ever notice that in his commercials? Like he only half came out of cave-man stage?)

These may be production models, and it may have crappy photography, but the truth of the matter is, they'd need a Major, MAJOR overhaul to get me to sing their praises! Blah! :(

[NemesisEnforcerFan]

[QUOTE=Outrider]"RIP GI Joe" was a statement of my feelings; if this is the style of GI Joe to come, then for me it is RIP GI Joe as I won't buy them and will be out of the hobby for good. As for drama queen, I'll assume you didn't mean it, and let that one slide for now out of respect for everyone else who posts here. If this is the kind of attitude that will prevail in these forums from now on, where people don't respect other's opinions and resort to childish name calling, then I'm outta here. Adios![/QUOTE]

[FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=3]You'll let what slide?.. I used the ''word drama queen'' because thats how I saw it.. I already explained in my post my original comments were for the fact nobody but one or two appeared to have explained their feelings.. to touch on this further Outrider.. you only have to look at Dave's [G.I.Jock] post to see what I was really looking for....

Dave had the deceny to comment.. and he done it with the integrity and spoke of his opinion with his true feeling.. where as your initial post just resorted to say G.I.Joe will be dead because the figures are crap.. and not post anything to back up those statements.. I feel is utterly pointless.. it wasn't just you.. there was others initially that posted one or two sentances making snide comments without backing up why they thought the product was so poor. Is that really so childish of me to point this out... ?[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=NemesisEnforcerFan][FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=3]You'll let what slide?.. I used the ''word drama queen'' because thats how I saw it.. I already explained in my post my original comments were for the fact nobody but one or two appeared to have explained their feelings.. to touch on this further Outrider.. you only have to look at Dave's [G.I.Jock] post to see what I was really looking for....

Dave had the deceny to comment.. and he done it with the integrity and spoke of his opinion with his true feeling.. where as your initial post just resorted to say G.I.Joe will be dead because the figures are crap.. and not post anything to back up those statements.. I feel is utterly pointless.. it wasn't just you.. there was others initially that posted one or two sentances making snide comments without backing up why they thought the product was so poor. Is that really so childish of me to point this out... ?[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/QUOTE]

I did give my reasons why I dislike these figures, but that is irrelevant. You have obviously missed my point completely. It's not about differing opinions, it's about respect. I'm not wasting anymore of my time, this is my final post. Goodnight & God bless, this is Outrider signing off.

[NemesisEnforcerFan]

[QUOTE=Outrider]I did give my reasons why I dislike these figures, but that is irrelevant. You have obviously missed my point completely. It's not about differing opinions, it's about respect. I'm not wasting anymore of my time, this is my final post. Goodnight & God bless, this is Outrider signing off.[/QUOTE]

[FONT=Palatino Linotype]:rolleyes: [SIZE=3]G'night then...
ok things I do like about the 25th Anniversary figures..
Added articulation.. I really think these figures will be great in dio's or animations.. the way they have been made set them up perfectly for anims.. movement around the waist, wrists and ankles and the design of the actual characters is really :cool: looking.

I do understand the fact people say certain ones have articulation thats then limited but maybe with these figures it will boil down to having them in your hands first. I also am willing to at least give them a try.. I aint too keen on roadblock having blue eyes.. but maybe I can see past that..
I've heard many comments on the baroness.. her looks etc.. I think H could of done a much better job with her face.. but again.. pre production models.. could be changed right?
I also have to add I really like the MARS Briefcase that Destro has.. that head of his looks a little small.. however I think it only looks that way cos of the width and design of his collar.

Movig onto the actual release... whats the style.. Is there going to be 10 in a box and 15 on single cards or what? Do we know which ones are going to be carded yet?[/SIZE][/FONT]

[Acantilado]

[font=Tahoma][size=2]Well, I do feel a bit pessimistic about the future of the line, but I think we also have to be a bit open-minded (not impliying that anybody is closed-minded :p ). This is, we can't expect G.I.Joe to continue being like it was in 85. Essencially this is a toy-line, and therefore it has to fit what children like, so evolution is necessary. If G.I.Joe had been in 88 (when I started buying them) the same as in 82, I'm not sure I would have liked them in the same way I did, and probably I wouldn't be here.
So, while these figures are definetely not the same as the ones I started buying then, they are G.I.Joe; some of them I don't like, some others I desperetely want, just the same as all the rest of the figures sold from 82 to present. If this new turn in construction is going to mean a new begining, the start of a yet another try to re-introduce Joes in mass market, even if there is not a new TV show, then it is welcome. If it is only a non-significant turn, with no goal other than repeat what DTC has been, then some of you are right and this may be the end of G.I.Joe.[/size][/font]

[Sonneilon]

Nem. The 1st 10 will be broken into 5-packs. 5 Joes. 5 Cobra. They will each come in a box w/ a sound device that will be playing the Sunbow GI Joe theme. These will be released June/July as per Justin at ToyFair. Box set will be $25.

The 'last' 15 will be released, we assume, August/Sept as single cards. Characters are only speculation; we don't actually know who will be made. Singles will be $6.

[NemesisEnforcerFan]

Hey Outrider, I'd just like to say.. everything what I said recently.. I'm sorry.. ok?

I would accurately disect my last few posts and go into the intricacies of why I done what i done.. and why I said what I said.. for the best part of me I think I am pretty much resigned.. when I get involved in something .. my frustration leads me to post "attacking attitude" kind of posts.. this isnt really who I am and neither who I aspire to be.. unfortunately for now I cannot really do anything about it..

I've been told by a friend that I should change my offensive attitude and words used.. unfortunately its not that easy.. my frustrations with life and my current standing are often reflected in these "attitude" style posts.. and I only really reflect after the damage has been done... or someone tries to point them out..

My best is I can only apologise directly to Outrider publicly and to anyone offended seriously by my posts.. I really am sorry..
It remains one of my biggest character flaws.. and I really can't see it changing in the next year or so.. my best would be to stop posting and just contribute to viewing and rating pictures..

I'll be around.. but considering I've probably upset the majority here.. I don't think I'll be missed so much.

So again.. I am really sorry to Outrider.. and obviously sorry to anyone who read my previous posts on this subject.
Sorry.
Richard.

[General Scarlett]

Richard,

Please don't stop posting just because of one set of posts on a thread. Everybody has 'bad days'.....hell even I have 'em!!! But I for one (and again, I can only speak for myself-the rest can agree, disagree or agree TO disagree with me), enjoy your comments on pics & threads!!! You took a HUGE step in revealing what you just did in your latest post. That shows that you are willing to admit and apologize for 'putting a nose out of joint'....and that's no easy feat!

So don't stop just for this, please. You have a very valued opinion in this forum, truly. If you find yourself teetering again, then just opt to say nothing. But don't not ever say anything again. That would be a serious loss to this community......

Peace,
Prudence

[G.I.*Jock]

Agreed.

To publicly appologise was very big of you. Not an easy thing either. I'm glad you did though. You have a fine repuation amongst the Joe collecting world, as well as being immensely well respected. It would be a pity if you lost that or people thought harshly of you, over a few mistakes. Especially in the forum environment.

This is a bit of a subject as well, the 25th anniv. Passions are kinda running high.

So it's likely over the next few months we might see the best and the worst in eachother over the subject.

Some collectors love the stuff, some like me, feel they have been pished on by Hasbro.

A few fellow collectors have noticed that things are kinda weird just now in the Joe community, maybe theres a full moon or something? :D

Once again, well done for appologising publicly. It's very comendable.

Dave

[General Scarlett]

Outrider,


I just got done really re-reading the posts in this entire thread. Were you really serious?!?!?!? I don't want to get all 'girly', but I don't want to miss you in this forum!!! I have enjoyed your pics, posts & humor!! Please don't let the thoughts of one person prevent you from enjoying this forum or the people in it.

I hope you reconsider, I was just getting to know you...I wouldn't want to see you go, especially over this.....

Peace,
Prudence

[Outrider]

Just so everyone is aware; I unreservedly accept Richard's apology. To apologise publicly is a brave thing to do, and he should be applauded. It was as much my fault for being over sensitive as it was Richard's fault, so don't blame him. The last thing I would ever want to do would be to upset people, and I personally apologise to Richard, or anyone else, that was offended by my posts. I should have listened to my wife, who wisely said "just leave it", but typically I let my hard headedness take over. Talk about dumb! Like Richard, I have some real world troubles at the moment, and everything came to a head at once. Whilst that is no excuse, I'm only too human.

[Self-Modifier]

That's what I love about this board. We all respect one another, and I think everyone here gets along really well. The fact that emotions are running so high over these little pieces of plastic just shows how much everyone here cares about the G.I. Joe brand, and the fact that you were willing to make peace with one another shows that unlike certain other collecting communities, those who follow the banner of G.I. Joe are able to let bygones be bygones.

Anyway, it's great to see you guys make up. Sometimes you just need a few days to cool off.

So with peace now returned to JoeDios, hopefully this means we won't be losing either of you, right??

[rds13601]

I just want you guys to know that I value all your opinions and look forward to seeing them on Joe related issues. Keep em comin!!!

[Sonneilon]

You guys are gonna love this.

We all know that there will be 25 figures for the 25th Anniversary. Justin dug up some more info and prepared a report over on the JBL (well, GeneralJoes). There's been a lot of discussion of whether we would be getting 25 single characters or 25 figures. As Hasbro has been saying it, us fans will be getting 25 figures. If you read that literally, that means 'we' could be getting a treatment of the v2 Snake Eyes and a hooded Cobra Commander.

Just food for thought.

General Hawk's ToyFair report, 2007 (http://generalsjoes.com/toyfair_07_report.html)


[COLOR=DarkRed]Will there only be 25 figures? - Early plans are indeed for 25 figures to celebrate the 25th Anniversary. And yes, that is 25 figures, not 25 characters. However, so far response from retailers and collectors both has been outstanding, and the doors are wide open for other future releases. Please consider, though, while 25 figures is a nice round number to celebrate the anniversary, it is not an absolute limit, and I'm sure Hasbro designers are eagerly anticipating bringing some more great items out in the 25th Anniversary style.

So, can we expect multiple versions of the same character in that 25 figure number? - Yes, there will be multiple versions of certain central characters included within that 25 figure limit.[/COLOR]

[Jay]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]You guys are gonna love this.

We all know that there will be 25 figures for the 25th Anniversary. Justin dug up some more info and prepared a report over on the JBL (well, GeneralJoes). There's been a lot of discussion of whether we would be getting 25 single characters or 25 figures. As Hasbro has been saying it, us fans will be getting 25 figures. If you read that literally, that means 'we' could be getting a treatment of the v2 Snake Eyes and a hooded Cobra Commander.

Just food for thought.

General Hawk's ToyFair report, 2007 (http://generalsjoes.com/toyfair_07_report.html)


[COLOR=DarkRed]Will there only be 25 figures? - Early plans are indeed for 25 figures to celebrate the 25th Anniversary. And yes, that is 25 figures, not 25 characters. However, so far response from retailers and collectors both has been outstanding, and the doors are wide open for other future releases. Please consider, though, while 25 figures is a nice round number to celebrate the anniversary, it is not an absolute limit, and I'm sure Hasbro designers are eagerly anticipating bringing some more great items out in the 25th Anniversary style.

So, can we expect multiple versions of the same character in that 25 figure number? - Yes, there will be multiple versions of certain central characters included within that 25 figure limit.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Considering the amount of molded-on accessories, couldn't they have just done interchangeable visors and chest gear to change Snake-Eyes from his v1 to his v2, and just do CC like his VvV figure with interchangeable helmet and hood with a mask underneath?

[Self-Modifier]

As soon as I saw that they're doing Snake-Eyes v1, I just assumed we would at least get another version of him. Version 2 is, after all, probably his best-known look and it would make little sense for Hasbro not to do that too. I still think swappable heads would be the way to go for Cobra Commander, but I've been sort of expecting a second version of that figure as well.

I'm not sure how they can do more versions of the others though... I mean, if the purpose of this project is to make, as many have surmised, the most "iconic" versions of these characters, then who besides Snakes and CC has more than one iconic look? Possibly an Iron Grenadiers Destro, but that's really all I can come up with...

[quote="General Hawk's Toy Fair Report"]Convention Exclusives planned? - Rumors have it that there will very likely be a G.I. Joe exclusive available at the San Diego Comic Con this year. Whether or not that concept will carry over to the official Joe Convention is unknown at this point.[/quote]

Sweet! I'm going to be at Comic-Con!

[Sonneilon]

The rumor mill is up and running again.

-MasterCollector newsletter should be out soon. There should be pictures of the Cobra Officer, v2 SE, v2 Stormy and hooded CC.

-The question of figure scale might be answered. It's believed that the figures will be in-scale to each other. For example, Roadblock could be over 4" to represent that he's a big mofo and Scarlet (being female) would be a touch under 3.75".

-The MOTH IV set is supposedly a Snow Viper and Ice Viper or something of that sort.

Those are just rumors and speculations. Those who are in the club will know for sure in a few days, I'm sure.

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]The rumor mill is up and running again.

-MasterCollector newsletter should be out soon. There should be pictures of the Cobra Officer, v2 SE, v2 Stormy and hooded CC.[/QUOTE]

Another Snake Eyes, another Storm Shadow, another Cobra Commander? Please Hasbro, enough is enough! Just pick ONE version of each character. They really have made a mess of this whole 25th anniversary thing, haven't they? :mad:

[General Scarlett]

You know, THIS is what sucks about this toy line..........
For the love of god, with all the character's available, PICK SOMEONE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!


UUGGHHH!!!!!!!!!

[Stormer]

So the Cobra Trooper is in a 5-pack with a bunch of unique characters, while the Officer is going to be available on an individual card.

Yeah, smart move there, Hasbro...

[Sonneilon]

Actually, it is believed that the Cobra Trooper will also show up single-carded, eventually. I know, there's some weird logic behind it and I'm just getting stuff from the JBL.

[Self-Modifier]

Personally, I'm glad to be getting a second Snake-Eyes and Cobra Commander. Mind you, I would've preferred swappable heads for CC and just SE v2, but I really need a hooded CC in some form from this set, and the same goes for Snake-Eyes version 2. So if the only way to get those versions of those characters is to have two of each of them, I'll be happy with what I'm getting.

Storm Shadow v2, however, is another story. His original look is his classic look! Does anyone honestly think of version 2 when they're imagining Storm Shadow? I guess it's possible, but I always figured v1 was what would be ingrained in all our minds. Of course, this could also be because I like his Ninja Force costume better than his v2 costume. Black & white is so much cooler than blue & white!

I really have no opinion on Cobra Officer either way since I'm betting it'll just be a repaint of Cobra Trooper with a different head and straps.

Overall, yeah, I'm somewhat disappointed with repetition this early in the process, but: A.) We need different versions of a couple of these guys, and B.) Does anyone honestly expect Hasbro not to do repeats and three-peats??

[Stormer]

[QUOTE=Self-Modifier]I really have no opinion on Cobra Officer either way since I'm betting it'll just be a repaint of Cobra Trooper with a different head and straps.[/QUOTE]

I just mean it's a bit daft to have the Officer in a more army-buildable single pack, when they should be outnumbered by the Troopers in their command. Buggered if I'm buying multiple 5-packs just to get more Troopers, so hopefully the single-card rumour's true!

[Self-Modifier]

Just read on JoeCustoms that the new issue of Lee's Action Figure Review has a pic of these four figures plus Flint. Here's the quote:

[quote="Scrapiron-Scavenger on the JoeCustoms board"]Reports of the figure builds are:

Storm Shadow (based on the 1988 version): New head, paint apps and accessories on the existing body
Snake Eyes (based on the 1985 version): New head and web gear, includes Timber (may be reuse of the Valor vs. Venom accessory)
Cobra Commander (based on his 1984 mail in): New head and paint apps on existing body
Cobra Officer: New head and web gear on Trooper body
Flint: New head and likely new web gear on the existing Duke body.[/quote]

I can see these working for the most part. However, I would think Storm Shadow might also have Duke's arms instead of his own, since Duke v1's sleeves were partially rolled up like Storm Shadow v2's. Also, I would hope Flint does not use Duke's arms since his sleeves should be up to his biceps rather than his forearms.

Anyway, they sound pretty good overall, as far as part re-using goes. The magazine is too expensive for me to buy it for this one reason, but I do plan to look for it tomorrow to try and see the pics.

[Sonneilon]

I've seen the light on the JBL. They're cool and all but Flint looks long-torso'd to me.

[Jay]

They're all just repaints.
Flint is Duke with new gear and a new head. (explains the long sleeves)
Snake-Eyes is the first one with new gear and a new head.
Storm Shadow is the first one with new gear and a new head. (explains the short sleeves)
Cobra Commander, pretty obvious.
And the Officer is just a trooper with new gear and a new head. (explains the kneepads which the officer never had)

Weak.

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]where in JBL does it show the reast of the figures. im on the 25th ann part right now, i dont see it[/COLOR]

[Sonneilon]

2nd page of the MC Newsletter post.

And Jay, "weak" is an understatement. Sure, reused bodies can work and repaints and blah blha blah... But Hasbro tried to make it a point that they were doing all new molds and they'll have the most articulation ever. Now, I need to go back and read the official Hasbro blurb. Because maybe, just maybe, Hasbro's sneaky wordmeisters phrased it more like, "The 1st 10 figures will have unique molds" and everyone else will be rehashed!

[COLOR=DarkRed]This summer, Hasbro will release 25 collectible 3 3/4" figures to celebrate the 25th Anniversary of G.I. JOE VS. COBRA.

Featured below are the first ten action figures to be revealed.

Sure to delight fans both new and old, 25th Anniversary Figures are all new sculpts and the most detailed and articulated G.I. JOE figures ever!

Click on action figure to see larger image, and see 25TH ANNIVERSARY and HISTORY for more information![/COLOR]

Ok. If we dissect this bad boy... It says that there will be 25 figures, not characters. And it also says that the 25th Anniversary Figs will be all new sculpts but it doesn't specify that EACH figure will be a nu skulpt, right? This just means that Hasbro chooses their words carefully. Now, how many of us actually looked at it this way, said something, but as usual, it was dismissed?

[Jay]

Not that it really matters to me, I wasn't planning on buying any. I'm just not surprised Hasbro decided to go the cheap way like that again...

Oh well.
I'll just finish my ARAH collection instead.

[Self-Modifier]

I have to say, I was anticipating some repaints in this line, so I'm not that worked up about it. As has been pointed out elsewhere, the original 1982 line was built on only a few parts. Many of the figures even has the same heads! In a way, this is almost a fitting anniversary tribute to that, if you think about it.

Mind you, I'm not saying I wouldn't have preferred all new sculpts, but knowing Hasbro, I just wasn't expecting it, so I didn't get my hopes up that high to begin with. I still think they look good, and I'm sure there will be some more new sculpts showing up in the final ten figures.

[Lava Boss]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]Actually, it is believed that the Cobra Trooper will also show up single-carded, eventually. I know, there's some weird logic behind it and I'm just getting stuff from the JBL.[/QUOTE]

It was also believed these would all be unique sculpts, especially as far as characters went. So I'm not holding my breath for single carded troopers.

I'm seeing "business as usual" here. Not that surprising, but not a good thing.

Swapping heads does not a Snake-Eyes v2 make. The boot are wrong for one thing. Likewise Storm Shadow's arms are wrong and he's still got the sandals. The vintage tribute and update theme fans saw in 25th anniversary has been mangled for economics.

Cobra Officer's got knee pads, has no distinct cuffs, the collar is mix of trooper and officer.

Only Cobra Commander is "right". And he still should've been saved for wave 3 at least (assuming this is wave 1 of single cards).

Flint...the sleeves are wrong. I suppose the rest is passable, depending on how decent Duke is. Still, for a popular character to be little more than a new head...Flint deserved more.

And really, if they were gonna do this, why go right to doing second versions of the main characters as soon as possible? Why not use Snake-Eyes parts for Grunt or Stalker or even Zap or Breaker?

If this is the first wave. It's like we are right back the repaints and redo's of the same "core" characters mode that sapped a lot of ethusiasm out of both the 2002-2005 new sculpts and the RAH reissues. 15 figures, only 10 characters plus two cobra troops that are very, very similar.

[Self-Modifier]

I've now finally seen the pictures, so I'll comment:

Flint looks fine. I would've preferred longer sleeves, but the gloves are enough of a change to make him look good.

Snake-Eyes looks great. The head is right on, and as long as that's correct, I really don't care the body is just the v1 mold over again.

Cobra Officer looks fine too. I don't really care that he has kneepads. I do agree though that it would've made a lot more sense to put him in the 5-pack and single card the trooper.

Cobra Commander kind of disappoints me. I don't like the "hood waving in the breeze" look that Hasbro is so fond of. It's a fine representation of the hooded look, but that one minor detail bugs me a lot.

Storm Shadow: Lame! For starters, he has no sleeves. The head looks fine, but I've never really been a big fan of his v2 look to begin with, so I don't like this one. So far, this is the only figure in this line that I'm not planning to buy.

[Stormer]

I'd thought that in the original release about the 25th Ann. figures, and what was on the website before the current "click an artist's rendition" presentation, said the line would feature the "25 most popular characters" or something very similar, implying only one version of each (as it stands, we're down to 22 so far or 21 if the single card Trooper is correct). Now, it's more ambiguous and just implies they're not reusing any parts from pre-2007 figures.

As for my opinion on figures 11-15, I'll copy'n'paste what I said over on YoJoe:

I'm a little embarrassed to say it, since in theory I don't like the idea of reusing parts so soon or of repeating so many characters, but I really like these guys... CC's head looks better proportioned, and the sleeves on Flint and SS don't really look too bad. If nobody had said anything, I doubt I'd have realised Flint had Duke's body at all. It is a bit of a shame SE doesn't have more form-fitting pants, though, like v2 did -- baggy for commando, skintight for ninja, IMO...

Thinking about the Officer -- he reuses the Trooper body and the webgear is removable, and if they do have the easily-poppable ball joint heads (like Major Barrage) all you'd have to do is put a Trooper head & webgear on the Officer body (and switch the knees if the construction allows, for the black pads), and presto -- LBC Viper Pilot!

Maybe that's what the single-pack Trooper's gonna be...?

[G.I.*Jock]

For those who haven't saw...

http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=9&itemid=10970

Dave :)

[Ranger_22]

Okay!!!! That SE is mine! That cobra officer!!! That Flint!!!!! So cool!!!
But Fall 2007!!???!!!??

[General Scarlett]

Hmmmmmmm......................

[yorktownjoe]

My only question is whether these artist conception pics will reflect the actual producation figure, or whether the pics from the Toy Fair prototypes are what we will see on toy shelves. Collector sales might not vary one from another, but I'm pretty sure overall sales might be better if these artist rendition pictures hit the shelves.

Someone posted a "too many chiefs..." picture here long ago with a bunch of Cobra officers bossing around one Cobra soldier. I can see another one of those pictures coming after these are released. That is picky, and I'm sure I can adjust my Joe-Verse for this slight oddity.

Flint and Hooded CC look pretty neat. But we shall see when they hit the shelves. Thank you for posting the link!

[Self-Modifier]

Thanks, Jock! I seriously cannot wait for these to come out. I can't remember the last time I was genuinely excited about upcoming Joe products (as opposed to kind of looking forward to something). I think it may have been when the first comic packs were announced.

[Dersham]

Man that Stormshadow does look pretty sweet, but why oh why couldn't we get an O-ring.

[Outrider]

Hasn't changed my mind one little bit. Very disappointing. :(

[Lava Boss]

I'm weary after reading this.

Lee's Interview with brand manager Jonathan Berkowitz (http://forums.yojoe.com/showthread.php?t=45650)

1/4" bigger...sounds like nothing...but I remember too tall Tunnel Rat from Spy Troops among others.

I'm ready for these things to just be released already, so I can now whether I'll be collecting them or...not.

[Stormer]

4" - that's Sgt. Savage-size, right? Well, those guys look SO good alongside 3.75" Joes.

If they really have changed the scale and it's that noticeable, I'll be out. It'll be as much a different toy line as Sigma 6. That said, though, a bunch of JvC/Spy troops figures did hit 4" so I guess I'll still have to wait and see how they do compare to the rest -- are they just taller or are other parts proportionally bigger too?

[Swindle]

The more I see, the less I like. I seriously doubt I'll be buying them.

[Ion]

I like the details, but anway - those figs looks to me as a neat dust-catchers and great statues to put on your shelf and that's basically ev'thing you can do with 'em. If they are to be 4'' tall... yep, put on a shelf and show to your friends...

I guess they'll be as useful as mini-figs...

[Ranger_22]

[QUOTE=Dersham]Man that Stormshadow does look pretty sweet, but why oh why couldn't we get an O-ring.[/QUOTE]

They copied the SW style bodies. The new 30th SW figs have new sculps too.

[ToneGunsRevisited]

Am I out of the news? Are they selling the 25th stuff?
http://cgi.ebay.com/GI-JOE-25TH-ANNIVERSARY-SERIES-1-SET-OF-5_W0QQitemZ320107080295QQihZ011QQcategoryZ348QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

[ender098]

Nah, she's got it pre-ordered and marked up to screw you out of your hard earned cash.....

[Self-Modifier]

There's some spiffy carded images of Cobra Commander, Snake-Eyes, and Storm Shadow at Bigbadtoystore...


http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/in/large/HAS13415.jpg

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/in/large/HAS13325.jpg

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/in/large/HAS13326.jpg

Every step of the way, these things become more and more exciting.

[Lava Boss]

Somehow the expolsion graphics seem off.

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]mmm, the packaging actually makes them look more old school, i like them a lil better now.[/COLOR]

[Sonneilon]

Man, hooded CC is bow-legged! YACK!

The two ninja look pretty darn good to me, tho! Uhmmmm, is this the original card art? And HEY! Why aren't we seeing the box art for the 5-packs???

[Urban Saboteur]

[QUOTE=ToneGunsRevisited]Am I out of the news? Are they selling the 25th stuff?
http://cgi.ebay.com/GI-JOE-25TH-ANNIVERSARY-SERIES-1-SET-OF-5_W0QQitemZ320107080295QQihZ011QQcategoryZ348QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem[/QUOTE]

[FONT=Arial]It's a pre order luis. You pay now and he has them ready to ship to you when they arrive. [/FONT]. ;)

[Self-Modifier]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]Man, hooded CC is bow-legged! YACK!

The two ninja look pretty darn good to me, tho! Uhmmmm, is this the original card art? And HEY! Why aren't we seeing the box art for the 5-packs???[/QUOTE]

Yeah, CC's legs are a bit messed up, but I'm hoping it's nothing some hot water and straightening out can't fix.

By the way, Sonn, isn't that the avatar you had way back when this site first started, or am I thinking of someone else?

[Stormer]

I guess it's easier to get the single cards ready since they're basically rehashes of the orignals. Shame they don't have the accessories listed down the side of the figure bubble, but it's nice to see the old Hasbro logo in the corner!

[Sonneilon]

Yeah, I think it is! I'm too lazy to find something else at this time.

[Acantilado]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]Man, hooded CC is bow-legged! YACK![/QUOTE]

It may be an optical illusion due to the dark background.

[Fantom]

Here are some pics of the boxed sets. Folow the link:

http://www.cooltoyreview.com/story/front/New_GI_Joe_In_HiRez_105313.asp

[General Scarlett]

[QUOTE=lehsreh][COLOR=Red]mmm, the packaging actually makes them look more old school, i like them a lil better now.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]


I agree..........I'm diggin' the packaging and seeing them in more of and 'in scale' setting............. :)

[bluestalker88]

thoughs all look great, I wouldn't trust ebay though. did any of you notice on the fig pics that Fantom linked to have cobra commander's and the trooper's stands switched lol

Nick

[maxtype]

They look cool,anyway...............

[Blowtorch]

After talking for 20 minutes with Hasbro's Customer Service Rep who was returning my call from last week. He informed me that we should start to see them in stores come June (well summer anyway)
On a side note he's also going to pass on information about this site to the GI Joe division of Hasbro. I hoping they look at the site and start keeping us in the loop on new products and offers. I told him that we are more of a loyal fan base then most sites. That the main focus of the this site was to write our own stories for the Joe line and in some respects stay true the orginal characters. He seemed real interested and kinda of excited to and extent. Hopefully we'll get some feed back from that conversation

[Stormer]

That's great to hear, Blowtorch! I could see how JoeDios could be of interest to Hasbro, since we do still "play" with the toys as well as collect them. A wall of MOC figures is cool, but you also can't deny the love of the Joe characters from someone who'll lie in the dirt with a camera after posing a figure just right so we can all look at the pic and say "Now THAT is Tunnel Rat!"

[Blowtorch]

[QUOTE=Stormer]That's great to hear, Blowtorch! I could see how JoeDios could be of interest to Hasbro, since we do still "play" with the toys as well as collect them. A wall of MOC figures is cool, but you also :) can't deny the love of the Joe characters from someone who'll lie in the dirt with a camera after posing a figure just right so we can all look at the pic and say "Now THAT is Tunnel Rat!"[/QUOTE]

Another point that I made with him that I think really impressed him was that the members here are from all over the world. South America, Austrila, England and the list goes on. So I'm still going to keep trying to push on to get us the recongition this site deserves.

[maxtype]

[QUOTE=Blowtorch]Another point that I made with him that I think really impressed him was that the members here are from all over the world. South America, Austrila, England and the list goes on. So I'm still going to keep trying to push on to get us the recongition this site deserves.[/QUOTE]

Cool,Blowtorch!!! That's one of the things I enjoy about this site....our 'diverse' membership!!! :D

[General Scarlett]

[SIZE=7]*BUMP*[/SIZE]




Hey guys............just got this link..............'Scarlett Dissected'..............and there's a 'Side by Side' comparision as well...........

Here's the link:

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385

[Self-Modifier]

That looks a lot like Micro-Man style construction. Pretty cool.

Also, based on that side-by-side comparison, if we assume that Scarlett is a little shorter than the others in the line, it appears these figures will indeed be larger than ARAH and later new-sculpt characters. I'm guessing maybe they'll be about the size of the JvC and SpyTroops figs. Not perfect, but still manageable.

[Gatilho]

[size=2]Maybe I'm wrong but as said before Hasbro is out of new ideas. This 25th anniversary line is using the same idea of creating improved versions for old characters in classic looks. Anyway I want it! :)[/size]

[Self-Modifier]

I'm sure many of us have already seen it, but our old friends General Hawk has posted a joint review (with Fred from JBL) of this figure at General's Joes.

It seems to have some problems sitting, but overall, I still think it's pretty phenomenal. I love how her hands are designed to hold her crossbow with a proper two-handed grip.

Judging from these photos, I'll be glad to display the 25th Joes alongside my Marvel Legends, Transformers, etc.-- Something I don't do with my current Joes. Looking at this Scarlett next to her comic pack incarnation makes me realize just how much was wrong with that figure that I'd never noticed till now!

[Urban Saboteur]

[FONT=Arial]I've read the review.. and I think it does highlight all the pro's and con's to owning this figure. The sit down thing is a problem.. I am not too keen on it.. but I still say I want to get the figure first.. before making a final judgement[/FONT]. ;)
Rich

[bravo]

GUYE ,JUST FOUND OUT THAT WAL-MART AND Target ARE GOING TO SELL THE GI Joe 25th Anniversary JOES, IT WAS ON HISSTANK.COM
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/showthread.php?t=540

[Sonneilon]

Uhmmmm, yeah. We pretty much already knew that it was gonna be mass retailed, not online-only. About another month or so, we figures.

[bravo]

im going to see if i can order it for the toy dept. the wal-mart that i work in has been haveing trouble. there working on moving me to the toys dept, iv been running the foods dept for a long time now. time to run a diffrent dept. that or find a nother job. but ill see if i can get them here at the shelton wal-mart.

[Bayer]

[QUOTE=bravo]im going to see if i can order it for the toy dept. the wal-mart that i work in has been haveing trouble. there working on moving me to the toys dept, iv been running the foods dept for a long time now. time to run a diffrent dept. that or find a nother job. but ill see if i can get them here at the shelton wal-mart.[/QUOTE]

Waaayyyyy back in the day, I worked at a Walmart. Walmart's purchasing dept. never seems to get on the same page with Hasbro. I tried to work on my collection back in the late 80's, while I worked there and they never had any selection.

[Self-Modifier]

I'm sure many have already seen this, but hisstank.com has images of the 25th Cobra pack figures loose.

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/showthread.php?t=558

Even the haters have to admit these look pretty darn cool, right???

[bravo]

ok heres the link
http://www.joesightings.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5594
im going too see if i can get them here at wal-mart. were i work.
on the pic it has 25th Anniversary and the name of the joe the price is $4.88,
it even said there is other names of joe may be comming out .
will soon see were hasbro will take us.

[G.I.*Jock]

[QUOTE=Self-Modifier]I'm sure many have already seen this, but hisstank.com has images of the 25th Cobra pack figures loose.

Even the haters have to admit these look pretty darn cool, right???[/QUOTE]

When the pictures of Stormy were first released, I thought wow. Then more pictures were released, these pictures highlighting the lack of an o-ring. That wasn't good for me. I'm really into traditional style Joe's. While I initially thought these new 25th Joe's were cool... they just wern't proper G.I.'s in my mind. Now that I'm seeing more of them I don't even think they are cool anymore. Scarlett cannot sit down... If she can't... Who else can't sit? The Cobra symbol on CC's shirt is way too small... I don't think the proportions are any better than what they were on the VvV line... I could go on...

I've said on other threads on this site how I feel Hasbro have shafted the collector with this 25th anniv line, so I won't go into that either...

I'm pretty down about the whole thing.

Dave :(

[Urban Saboteur]

I dunno if I agree with you dave, I won't argue the point of it being different, as it's quite clear hasbro wanted to use the 25th as an excuse to try out something new.

I do agree partly with what you said weeks ago maybe for the celebrations they should of stuck to more conventional methods ;)

I've seen the review on Scarlett, and like any figure she has plus points and minus points too. The fact she can't sit down properly is a bad design flaw but maybe hasbro will modify this for 2008?

In 1982 they made adjustments to the whole 1st series and brought out them again as re-released versions with swivel arms. Giving better articulation to the arms. Perhaps we'll see history repeat itself 25 years later, but don't hold your breath.

I just looked at some images of the price cards, it had snow job, gung-ho and crimson guard priced at $5 each. Hmm.. I'd be interested in some of that. :o
Rich

[Self-Modifier]

Wow, I just realized I didn't post the link last night. It's up there now.

I have to respectfully disagree with you, Jock. When the first publicity shots came out, I thought they were fantastic, but then, as with you, when the next round of pics came along they didn't seem so hot. But other pictures since then, including (and especially) these, make me feel once more that these may be the best Joes since... Well, a long time ago. Maybe my opinions are colored by the fact that they're finally re-doing everyone's classic costumes, but I just think these are fantastic.


CC: Yeah, the Cobra symbol is too small, and his helmet is too low on his head. But since the helmet is removable, I think whoever took the shots just mashed it down on there too hard. Otherwise, he looks great to me.

Baroness: Looks outstanding to me. I love the way her body suit is a different color from her armor, and I like the snobbish appearance to her face. Sure, I wish her hair wasn't blowing in the wind, but I got past that on comic pack Cover Girl, and I can do it for the Baroness too.

Storm-Shadow: Look at that head! It's like he walked out of a frame of the Sunbow animation! I swear they sculpted it based on the cartoon model sheets. His accessories are very nicely detailed too. I love the gold trim on his swords.

Destro: This was the one that I didn't like when the very first pics came out, but I have since changed my opinions. These photos show that I can finally retire my custom, because this Destro will be my definitive version, bar none. I love the color used for his suit, and the cartoon-inspired green eyes. And his head, which I thought was way too small when the original images were released, looks fine here.

Cobra Trooper: He's just amazing too. I love how his helmet finally looks like it appeared on the card art, comics, and cartoon, with the wide opening instead of fitting snugly around the head like previous versions.


Anyway, those are my gushing opinions. They are, of course, subject to change when I hold the figures in my hands, but I really don't see that happening.

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=G.I.*Jock]When the pictures of Stormy were first released, I thought wow. Then more pictures were released, these pictures highlighting the lack of an o-ring. That wasn't good for me. I'm really into traditional style Joe's. While I initially thought these new 25th Joe's were cool... they just wern't proper G.I.'s in my mind. Now that I'm seeing more of them I don't even think they are cool anymore. Scarlett cannot sit down... If she can't... Who else can't sit? The Cobra symbol on CC's shirt is way too small... I don't think the proportions are any better than what they were on the VvV line... I could go on...

I've said on other threads on this site how I feel Hasbro have shafted the collector with this 25th anniv line, so I won't go into that either...

I'm pretty down about the whole thing.

Dave :([/QUOTE]

I'm with you Dave. The more I see of them, the less I like them, and these photos only confirm my feelings. I don't think they will sell well at all amongst traditional Joe collectors such as ourselves. I know it's a celebration of GI Joe's 25 years, but the fact that it's the same old characters is also a bummer. How many Snake Eyes/ CC's/ Storm Shadows, etc, do we need? I'll be saving my money. :(

[Self-Modifier]

I'm really very surprised that these pictures aren't changing anyone's mind. I thought these made them look way better than any of the previous photos. To each their own, though.

[Stormer]

Looks like Destro and Storm Shadow can sit down! Dunno about CC, Baroness and the Trooper, though...

[ToneGunsRevisited]

I ain't saying I'll not buy them, what I'll say is that I'll buy one of them and before get them out of package and "fighting" down here, I'll not put my money on them. But I would be more happy and waiting to support the 25th if I could see comic packs versions out for the 25th. Not in the new mold, but like the comic packs were coming out in VvsV.

[Urban Saboteur]

Oh man.. I am getting more excited when i see those pics.. those poses for baroness look sweeeeeet :p
I hope my contact gets back to me with some good news soon :cool:
Rich

[Acantilado]

Wel, after seeing those pics and some more that came up recently, I still exactly don't know how I feel about the 25th Anniv Joes. While in general I LOVE them, they have so many things to reproach that I'm not sure if I love them that much. For example, I find the 5-pack Snake-Eyes the most amazing figure I've seen in ages... but on the other hand the neck construction is sooooo crapy!

[Lava Boss]

I'll likely get the Cobra pack, because I'm a recovering Cobraholic and it's unlikely ARAH style comic pack C.C. is coming ever... and this 25th one looks better than the JvcC "skirt" version. Though there's plenty wrong with this new one...the odd waist area...the long legs. The left hand is different...too limiting as a toy, but might be amusing.

I want a better Destro, but I think this one will be too tall to use apart from this line.

Storm Shadow, the tunic design obviously limits some poses. I've usually hated that on past figures. His head sculpt is nice, but if this ninja can't grip his sword with both hands...the figure is a failure in my book.

Baroness, not likely the literal interpretation of the card art's wind blown hair. Her holster is drawn with her left hand. She's a leftie? Overall, undecided about her.

Diaper crotch thing, as some call it, was unnecessary...why is Hasbro concerned with that asthetic, but not the awkward looking mid-torso joing? It also seems to me that arms that bend-in more would be more useful than double jointed knees.
But that also might be asthetically ugly

The trooper looks best, except the "diaper crotch". Maybe his right leg pouch is a big overdone. Hard to say just yet.

Also, Cobra insignias are too small on Commander, Baroness and Trooper.

[General Scarlett]

[QUOTE=Lava Boss]

........Diaper crotch thing,....... "diaper crotch"....... [/QUOTE]


The 'catch phrase' of the day, right there!!! :p :D

[yorktownjoe]

I think I'm with TG on this now. I'll buy a single pack figure and see about the articulation before I shell out a whole lot of moolah. But then I'll try and support the line if I can, so big H doesn't say to heck with all of those Joe collectors.

I'm not sure what that message is to big H. They have done fairly well over the years. With or without my nickels...

[`psycho]

Have Hasbro released these yet, I'm not seeing a release date on the website.

[`psycho]

my bad now saw the release date. Sorry.

[Sonneilon]

Taken from the JBL...

Q1. Is this line just for this year's anniversary or can we expect an
ongoing line into '08 and beyond?
A: You can definitely expect more heading into 2008. Based on the initial fan response we are working on plans to extend the line into next year.

Q2. Will any of the 5-pack figures be released on single cards?
A: This is something we are looking at for 2008. We want to offer these figures carded but at the same time we also want to offer new figures to keep everyone involved and excited.


Q3. Since Lady Jaye & Serpentor are due out, does that mean that a character's current status in the comics doesn't matter in terms of their likelihood of being released?
A: That is true. The 25th celebrates the past 25 years. It is not meant to be a snap shot at this point in time.
Nothing in the history of RAH is off limits.

It looks like they are taking July off for Comic Con. The next round is slated for August - questions due Monday August 13th, If you have a question post it in the GI JOE question thread.

[bravo]

the new one will be 3.75 right
but will we see any 33/4
and i was looking at that poll,why street fighter

[lehsreh]

[QUOTE=bravo]the new one will be 3.75 right
but will we see any 33/4
and i was looking at that poll,why street fighter[/QUOTE]

3.75 is 3 inches and 75% of a inch. another way of writing it is 3 3/4 which is 3 inches and 3 quarters of an inch. i wanted street fighter just for the reason of a female and a fat honda, hopefully. i honestly dont thin well see street fighter.

[Stormer]

What bothered me about the Street Fighter option, despite the issue of them having the rights to actually make SF figures now, is if that option proved popular it could send the message to Hasbro that people are more interested in licensed characters done in a Joe-figure style than in the Joe characters themselves...

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]yeah, thats a very very good point stormer. but like i said, i only voted for them to see a different style of figures, that and there were no others on the list i cared about.[/COLOR]

[ender098]

Yeppers!! Those of you who missed 90% of the figures in the last 25 years, here's your chance to buy THE SAME OLD FIGURES YOU DIDN'T BUY 300 VARIATIONS OF THE FIRST TIME AROUND!! AND WE'RE RE-RELEASING THE SAME OLD JUNK WITH NEW ARTICULATION SO THOSE OLD FANS OUT THERE, WELL, YOUR FRAKKING COLECTION IS USELESS AND AFTER YEARS OF LOYALTY, SCREW YOU, YOU GOTTA START ALL OVER AGAIN!

BLAH!!!

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]lol, i think im sensing some hostility there frank. its true though, its really good for the ones of us who missed a lot, but not really that great for you. hey man i got an idea, give me all your old ones and you can buy the new stuff,lol. [/COLOR]

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=ender098]Yeppers!! Those of you who missed 90% of the figures in the last 25 years, here's your chance to buy THE SAME OLD FIGURES YOU DIDN'T BUY 300 VARIATIONS OF THE FIRST TIME AROUND!! AND WE'RE RE-RELEASING THE SAME OLD JUNK WITH NEW ARTICULATION SO THOSE OLD FANS OUT THERE, WELL, YOUR FRAKKING COLECTION IS USELESS AND AFTER YEARS OF LOYALTY, SCREW YOU, YOU GOTTA START ALL OVER AGAIN!

BLAH!!![/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly, Frank. As far as the new stuff goes, Hasbro can go and get..... :eek:

[LordRaven]

[QUOTE=Outrider]My thoughts exactly, Frank. As far as the new stuff goes, Hasbro can go and get..... :eek:[/QUOTE]

I dunno how I feel really. I might pick up a Storm Shadow, just to have one....but....I'll stick with my classic stuff

[Self-Modifier]

[QUOTE=ender098]Yeppers!! Those of you who missed 90% of the figures in the last 25 years, here's your chance to buy THE SAME OLD FIGURES YOU DIDN'T BUY 300 VARIATIONS OF THE FIRST TIME AROUND!! AND WE'RE RE-RELEASING THE SAME OLD JUNK WITH NEW ARTICULATION SO THOSE OLD FANS OUT THERE, WELL, YOUR FRAKKING COLECTION IS USELESS AND AFTER YEARS OF LOYALTY, SCREW YOU, YOU GOTTA START ALL OVER AGAIN!

BLAH!!![/QUOTE]

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!

I don't really see this as a "same old, same old" situation though. I mean, it is, but in a different way than the past few years. Yes, Hasbro released multiple new-sculpt versions of Duke, Snake-Eyes, Cobra Commander, etc. ... But this is the first time they've released new-sculpt (new-new-sculpt?) versions of those characters in their classic costumes, which is what I've been wanting since the relaunch.

I've never been one to look forward. I much prefer looking back nostalgically.

[Sonneilon]

Was it here or on the JBL that someone said that GI Joe seems to be going the SW route in that they are moving toward a collector/fan's base as opposed to kiddy oriented (ie; 2002+). In a way, this is a revamp of the original line, which is cool with me. Will the 25thA fit w/ the old stuff? Nope and it's not meant to be. It's another starting point.

Just for the record, there was a huge backlash against the 2002 JvC concept. There was hate towards Spy Troops and the new sculpts.
There was MAJOR hate towards Valor vs Venom and the weird things Hasbro did.

This concept is no different. But I think Hasbro is going forward as far as they can with the 25thA-style figure. We all need to accept that this is how the new breed of figures will look (ie; new characters). IF Hasbro goes comic packs, will it be using the 2002+ sculpts or will they go classic-style? There's something to ponder for y'all.

In Hasbro's eyes, they are trying to give the aging collector a BETTER action figure. By going back to the original designs but updating the technology, the 'fans' are getting (in theory) better articulated figures. It's as if they went, "Gee whiz, Duke would be REALLY cool if he had double-knee joints and swivel wrists... And hell, everyone LOVES the symbol of Americana!" *snicker*

[Lava Boss]

The apparent scale change bugs me more than anything. Correctly scaled characters, bigger ones are now actually bigger. But a Flint that towers over the vintage one, and he was never known for being taller than average characters. There's really no good reason for it. (It's obvious from Star Wars that Hasbro can make super-articulated 3 3/4" scale figures)

The whole new breed, new seperate collection thing...tiresome. Why not continue something people like? (Isn't that why the con sets are popular?) Why a whole new route? I guess it's more and more clear I'm a 3 3/4" action figure fan, not a real GI JOE fan. I don't like the character enough to get Sigma Six scale, 2.5" scale (which is dead now), etc...

Let's remember that a plethora of characters never made it to "new sculpts" and some that did were mere kitbashes of existing parts. How long with 25th run? Long enough to get Barbecue, Deep Six, Dialtone, Mainframe, Iceberg, Techno Viper, Tripwire...?

The more collectible A Real American Hero gets the less enjoyable it is. When I was collecting back in the early 1990's, and I thought I was one of a handful of people on Earth over the age of 10 who did,...I never thought "15 years from now it would be awesome if they had GI JOE conventions and exclusive figures that cost more than $15 each and also attendee exclusive. And maybe if they upped the scale of the figures just enough to make them incompatible with what I have hundreds of...that would be GREAT!"

Starting to push me away the way Star Wars did when figures became hard to find and/or cost more than they were worth to me. Plus every other year, there was a better "improved" version of the character you paid $5 to $6 for already. Nowdays, it's even worse than that.

Anyone bringing up marketing, what the stores will and will not carry... I don't care. Want what I want. Not a lecture by an armchair marketing analysist.

[Sonneilon]

Oh yes... The size thing... Uhmmmmm... All I can guess is that Hasbro wants to set the GI Joe franchise FURTHER away from any other proper 3.75" toylines. Be it Star Wars, Corps, whatever. I'll admit tho, it's rather lame that these figures will not work with ANY of the vehicles currently out (THAT is an assumption).

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=Lava Boss]The apparent scale change bugs me more than anything. Correctly scaled characters, bigger ones are now actually bigger. But a Flint that towers over the vintage one, and he was never known for being taller than average characters. There's really no good reason for it. (It's obvious from Star Wars that Hasbro can make super-articulated 3 3/4" scale figures)

The whole new breed, new seperate collection thing...tiresome. Why not continue something people like? (Isn't that why the con sets are popular?) Why a whole new route? I guess it's more and more clear I'm a 3 3/4" action figure fan, not a real GI JOE fan. I don't like the character enough to get Sigma Six scale, 2.5" scale (which is dead now), etc...

Let's remember that a plethora of characters never made it to "new sculpts" and some that did were mere kitbashes of existing parts. How long with 25th run? Long enough to get Barbecue, Deep Six, Dialtone, Mainframe, Iceberg, Techno Viper, Tripwire...?

The more collectible A Real American Hero gets the less enjoyable it is. When I was collecting back in the early 1990's, and I thought I was one of a handful of people on Earth over the age of 10 who did,...I never thought "15 years from now it would be awesome if they had GI JOE conventions and exclusive figures that cost more than $15 each and also attendee exclusive. And maybe if they upped the scale of the figures just enough to make them incompatible with what I have hundreds of...that would be GREAT!"

Starting to push me away the way Star Wars did when figures became hard to find and/or cost more than they were worth to me. Plus every other year, there was a better "improved" version of the character you paid $5 to $6 for already. Nowdays, it's even worse than that.

Anyone bringing up marketing, what the stores will and will not carry... I don't care. Want what I want. Not a lecture by an armchair marketing analysist.[/QUOTE]

Well said Lava Boss. One of the best arguments I've heard. It's the change in scale thing that bugs me too. I admit I wasn't very happy with the "old" new sculpt stuff when that first came out, but at least it was still compatible with ARAH figures and vehicles. In time I grew to appreciate them, and consider some of them (Crosshair, Lowlight, Bludd, etc) amongst my all-time favourite figures. The fact that the anniversary stuff just won't work with the huge catalogue of existing Joes really annoys me.
I'm happy to have extra articulation, that's not an issue (although the torso/chest join looks all wrong to me). The "cartoonish" styling of the head sculpts and proportioning is another big no-no. When you are a realism junkie like me, "Sigma 6" type styling immediately kills any enthusiasm I might have had for the new stuff. The fact that the character selection is umpteenth rehash of most of the characters is a bummer, too.
At the end of the day, the cons outweigh the pros, and I won't be investing any of my hard-earned in the anniversary figures. My only hope for the future of GI Joe is that we still see some releases of classic style figures, whether that be through comic packs or some other angle. :(

[maxtype]

Yay! My 25th Anniversary Joe & Cobra 5-Packs get here Tuesday! I'm like a kid at Christmas! :p

I know not everybody likes the designs,but I'm absolutely entranced.....I feel like I'm 9 years old at the "birth" of ARAH again......and HISSTANK.com announced 25th Comic Packs are coming!( sorry,I don't know how to set the link,but it's easy to find the thread).

Now if we just get vehicles....... :D

[General Scarlett]

Here's a link to the thread (well, one of them dealing with the 25th anyway... :rolleyes: )



http://www.hisstank.com/forum/showthread.php?t=594




Or, feel free to click on it from the link under my sig............. ;) :cool:

[Jay]

Bleh, those things try and fail to imitate Microman.
The proportions are all lanky and weird... Gimme a good old ARAH figure over this stuff any day! :cool:

[Self-Modifier]

I'll be eagerly searching for them over the weekend, Maxtype! I can't justify spending the prices online shops charge for shipping, so I'll be checking two TRUs, five targets, and two Wal-Marts in the next couple of days. Hopefully one of them will have something!

[maxtype]

[QUOTE=Self-Modifier]I'll be eagerly searching for them over the weekend, Maxtype! I can't justify spending the prices online shops charge for shipping, so I'll be checking two TRUs, five targets, and two Wal-Marts in the next couple of days. Hopefully one of them will have something![/QUOTE]

Good Luck,man! :)

[Urban Saboteur]

I got a dude out in Chi-Town looking for me.. he's picking up a full set for him and a set for me.. I can't wait to get his email to tell me he's picked up some 25th Anniversary Joes.

One thing I'd like to add to Maxtype's post. I do like the ARAH and old style construction. However looking at the articulation on the new style figures they offer alot better posing, some of the stances and pictures i've seen are flawless.. :)

I too am looking so forward to the 25th Anniversary celebrations.

I wonder when we'll see dio pictures posted at Joe Dios with 25th Anniversary figs?
Rich

[Blowtorch]

I don't know how much of this post you read, but the last one stated that these were fake. Also $4.88 anytime something from Wal-Mart has 88 at the end usually means it's a clearenced item. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't see these going on clearence that fast.

[bravo]

Blowtorch]I don't know how much of this post you read, but the last one stated that these were fake. Also $4.88 anytime something from Wal-Mart has 88 at the end usually means it's a clearenced item. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't see these going on clearence that fast.[/QUOTE]

they are in the system's new store in milford CT. has them. they ring out as 4.88, its a roll back item, not Clarence, any new item that wal-mart has always comes that way first. i know i worked for the company for 8 years now. its the same every were. ;)

[bravo]

I hate to say but I think these are FAKE signs and such. Someone that works at Wal Mart made these tags up or photoshopped em. They don't get those signs or shelf tags unless its a week out. And the rollback ones???? How can they be a rollback if they aren't even out yet??????? I confirmed this with someone that works at Wal Mart those #'s aren't in the system.


my friend works there.at the new wal-mart they are putting up, he told me that they are there and the price is 4.88. i will check this out with him . the price may have change. i will relook it up at my store too.

[Blowtorch]

[QUOTE=bravo]they are in the system's new store in milford CT. has them. they ring out as 4.88, its a roll back item, not Clarence, any new item that wal-mart has always comes that way first. i know i worked for the company for 8 years now. its the same every were. ;)

I hate to say but I think these are FAKE signs and such. Someone that works at Wal Mart made these tags up or photoshopped em. They don't get those signs or shelf tags unless its a week out. And the rollback ones???? How can they be a rollback if they aren't even out yet??????? I confirmed this with someone that works at Wal Mart those #'s aren't in the system.


my friend works there.at the new wal-mart they are putting up, he told me that they are there and the price is 4.88. i will check this out with him . the price may have change. i will relook it up at my store too.
[/QUOTE]


I'll believe it when I see them in stores in my area. Until then everything that posted is just rumor.

[bravo]

[QUOTE=Blowtorch]I'll believe it when I see them in stores in my area. Until then everything that posted is just rumor.[/QUOTE]
ok

[General Scarlett]

Well they're not at my local Wal*Mart yet either............... :(

[frk525]

yeah no new joes at my walmart either, just old sigma 6 figs. lordy i wish there was a new toon to go along with the new set.

[Sonneilon]

A cartoon to go with the set would probably work in this day and age.

[Lava Boss]

The comic packs are now 2 figures, not suprising since Star Wars packs are like that.

And the only "new" character addition to them is Hawk. I can understand keeping versions of Duke, Cobra Commander, Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow around to appeal to newcomers, but they are already overdoing it. If these and the other Cobra 5 pack are released this year...that's 4 Storm Shadows and 4 Cobra Commanders within 6 months. (PLus 3 Snake Eyes, 2 Scarletts, 2 or 3 Destros, 2 Dukes...)

[Jay]

[QUOTE=Lava Boss]The comic packs are now 2 figures, not suprising since Star Wars packs are like that.

And the only "new" character addition to them is Hawk. I can understand keeping versions of Duke, Cobra Commander, Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow around to appeal to newcomers, but they are already overdoing it. If these and the other Cobra 5 pack are released this year...that's 4 Storm Shadows and 4 Cobra Commanders within 6 months. (PLus 3 Snake Eyes, 2 Scarletts, 2 or 3 Destros, 2 Dukes...)[/QUOTE]
Comic Packs? Where did they announce this?

[Sonneilon]

Uhmmmm, so this means you guys have, like, MONEY! Can I have a Firefly or something? :P Seriously tho, I don't expect them to hit here for awhile and well, my paychecks won't be going UP for another month so I'll be pretty late on picking these bad boyz up. Course, I do have a bud or two who owe me a favor or two!

[Self-Modifier]

[QUOTE=Jay]Comic Packs? Where did they announce this?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I hadn't heard anything about these beyond rumors whispered in darkened rooms that they might be a possibility...

[maxtype]

[QUOTE=Jay]Comic Packs? Where did they announce this?[/QUOTE]

Check my first post-HISSTANK.com

[Flatline]

New Toys New Cartoon ..... Heaven :rolleyes:

[bravo]

ok heres the latest info i got, S6 2.5 is on clearance, some of the S6 8. is also on Clarence there is a new mod ready to set. that's at my wal-mart in Shelton Ct.
the new wal-mart in Milford has it up already but they don't open till Aug. so ill get the new mod sheet from my friend. with the right price, i still think its $4.88.

[tunnelrat88]

Are they going to be in other places besides Wal-mart? I don't have one near me and it would be much more convenient if they were going to be at Toys R Us too.

[Urban Saboteur]

I heard that these would ship out around 25th? If this is true surely they wouldnt arrive at US stores until about 2nd.
Given that those stores then have to get the display and stock space I would imagine they would release them on the 3rd or 4th. I'm probably wrong on this, however would Hasbro consider releasing these on the 4th of July? :confused:
Rich

[bravo]

[QUOTE=Urban Saboteur]I heard that these would ship out around 25th? If this is true surely they wouldnt arrive at US stores until about 2nd.
Given that those stores then have to get the display and stock space I would imagine they would release them on the 3rd or 4th. I'm probably wrong on this, however would Hasbro consider releasing these on the 4th of July? :confused:
Rich[/QUOTE]
rich some parts of the U.S. has it already. so far i know is in Denver colorado.
I'm thinking Hasbro has it time half there and then here. then new Mexico, Canada. so on.

[bravo]

[QUOTE=tunnelrat88]Are they going to be in other places besides Wal-mart? I don't have one near me and it would be much more convenient if they were going to be at Toys R Us too.[/QUOTE]
Target has it for 5.99,
toys r us is going to be higher, the 33/4 are still going for $6.99, they may be still be the same price, as it sister,

[Flint]

Man I can't wait for these babies to hit the Stores around in my area!!! :D

[Self-Modifier]

I had no plans for this fourth of July, so I decided to hunt for these guys (even though I just did so on Saturday). I went to two Wal-Marts, three Targets, and one Toys R Us, and there was no sign of them, nor any sign that they'd ever been there. So I can safely say, they aren't out in my area yet.

But I'll search again this coming Saturday...

[lightingtina]

OK HERE THE DEAL, MY BROTHER FINILY FOUND THE JOES WAS GOING TO BUY THEM ,but he said all of the box set of the joes Scarlett left leg are broken, in every box, then he came across this,
http://forums.toynewsi.com/index.php?showtopic=2040433
it seem that the joes are bracken. hes going to Waite for a bit to see if hasbro will fix the problem? or maybe someone on the TNI form will say some thing? i will hate to see this. but my brother may be right these things were made like :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: , i just hope they will fix it before the next set leave..

[bravo]

hay guys today at work we got the 5 pack. there was about 6 of them and the joe sets all the Scarlett right legs were broken. the set gos for $24.98, and the card ones $4.88, there not rollback. there always low price. there were not that much there. im hoping they come in tonight so i can pick up the set. there's the form i read and there falling apart, what im thinking is thy may have put way too much force on them, i like the way C.C looks, and the snakeeyes comes with 2 different dogs, timber comes in white and black. but roadblock and destro looks bad-ass. im hoping when i go to the joe con here in Conn, they have the Scarlett doll , so i can make Glenda out of her. :D

[Outrider]

I got my Gung Ho out of the box, only to find his right leg hangs loosely, making it impossible for him to hold any sort of pose. Very disappointing quality control and/or design by Hasbro. :mad:

[Invasor]

:eek: What a tragedy man!

[Sonneilon]

That sucks monkey rocks.

[gogorobo]

yeah i had to order my pack off line and when i finally got it and opened it gung-ho's leg fell right off to say i was suprised was an understatement now i gotta wait for them to reach where i live to get another one(and hope that i get a decent gung-ho)

[night_force_cynic]

[QUOTE=gogorobo]yeah i had to order my pack off line and when i finally got it and opened it gung-ho's leg fell right off to say i was suprised was an understatement now i gotta wait for them to reach where i live to get another one(and hope that i get a decent gung-ho)[/QUOTE]

don't hold your breath for a decent, functional, tight-joint Gung-Ho. The problem with his right leg is almost universal, MOST of the GH figures that have been reported on share the problem.

That's the most consistent issue I've been reading about, but it seems that quality control is uneven or just plain poor throughout the line, with the boxed 5-packs having the majority of rampant broken, flimsy, misshapen, and sloppily painted characters. And in the single carded arena, I've read and seen for myself that finding cardbacks that aren't rolled in the corners or bent and creased is difficult.

And all these problems are compounded by these things just starting to show up, first sightings in US stores were only about 3 weeks back. Spotty distribution and fast sell-outs makes it harder to hope that the store you do find these things in probably just put out a single case so chances are all the cards will be crap or all the boxes will look banged up. Once they start reaching saturation following heavier shipments, at least finding presentable packaging on shelves will be easier... but that doesn't help the figures themselves. THAT'S an issue Hasbro going to have to address and fix ASAP if they want this line to keep selling to MIB/MOC collectors as well as loose collectors and customizers.

[General Scarlett]

You know one of my theories has always been: 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'........

I had NO problems with the original designs...............ergo.........K.I.S.S. (another of my favorite phrases ;) )

[Flint]

Ooh Man!!! :(

[nando]

crapy figures lol....

[Sonneilon]

Kinda sounds like the production was rushed.

Or Hasbro is punking us for the 2nd wave...

[bravo]

ok these guys are due out buy oct, and old sgt. may be part of the next box set.
http://i.toynewsi.com/g/?mode=album&album=07_SDCC%2FHasbro%2FGIJoe%2F25th
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[gogorobo]

holy crap!!! i can't wait for that shipwreck!!

[Lava Boss]

Everything looks better than it probably is.

I still haven't seen any 25th figures, let alone own one.

Why'd they muck up the troop builder set with yet another Storm Shadow (or CC for that matter...who does look kinda cool....silver gloves aside).

Serpentor and Zartan....not vintage looks? What gives?

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]good heads up bravo. keep it up, im looking forward to these.[/COLOR]

[jjsvipers]

beat me to it
i like this one

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/?mode=view&album=07_SDCC%2FHasbro%2FGIJoe%2F25th&pic=078.JPG&dispsize=800&start=20

[Captain Max]

Lady Jaye looks SA-weeeet! :p

[The Faceless Master]

[QUOTE=Lava Boss]Why'd they muck up the troop builder set with yet another Storm Shadow (or CC for that matter...who does look kinda cool....silver gloves aside). [/QUOTE]
I agree
I wouldn't have minded if Stormy in this pack was all RED, so at least I can
make an army of Red Ninjas... :cool:

[Flatline]

[COLOR=Indigo]THE DREADNOKS LOOKS :cool: OF COURSE. BUT THE NEXT 5 PACK IS A BUMMER ANOTHER STORM SHADOW AND COBRA COMMANDER :confused: THE BOX ART SHOWS THE TWINS AND CRIMSON GUARDS BUT THEY'RE NOT PART OF IT. :mad: THATS AN EXPENSIVE ARMY BUILD.[/COLOR]

[jjsvipers]

marcos when you go can you get some pics of the customs they have ? the alleyviper is in the background but no close up, i hope they eventully make these.

[ToneGunsRevisited]

And this is a real tribute to original line. A lot of Cobra Commanders, Snake Eyes, Storm Shadows, a big fuck*ng sh*t. What makes my eyes cry is Leatherneck, Beachead, Destro v1, Snake Eyes v1 and Stalker v1. But I still didn't put hands on any of the figures of 25th.

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]i dont know how well ill like them as i still havent saw them around here yet, but i want the letherneck, beach head, and pythona if im right and that was her. wasnt to happy with sepentor though.[/COLOR]

[Outrider]

Okay, so Stinger Driver is coming up as a 25th anniversary figure. Let's see him fit in the Stinger! YEAH RIGHT! :mad:

[G.I.*Jock]

It just gets better doesn't it?

Yet another Cobra Commander and Storm Shadow and more mold reuse! Lazy cheap a$$ b******s!

I guess the laziness came in handy... With all that saved time from being cheap and using existing pieces and doing repaints they were able to make some custom 25th figures... Great... Don't worry about the build quality of the new figures or anything Hasbro!!!

Serpy looks awful too... As does Zartan...

When did we get a Red Ninja apart from that 6 pack? I thought we were talking 80's figures/Much loved characters???

Could this 25th anniversary line get any more farcical?

It makes me wonder what other 25th anniversary horrors -that have not been unveiled yet- await us at the Con...

Good job Hasbro... Keep it up... :rolleyes:

Dave :D

[Urban Saboteur]

So i hope the contrast is altered at some point, i've spoken through email with someone and they already have pictures in hand of the 25th Anniversary Figures. He is incredibly pleased with his purchases and says they look good as part of his collection, I don't want to just select the high ground and go against what people are reporting.. because if it is true about the vast majority of figures having poor quality control then that would be a shame, the idea of not having an O-ring has left a bitter taste amongst alot of fans/collectors.

For those actually being on this forum complaining and dissing hasbro's efforts how many of you can actually attest to have held one of these figures?

I'm not saying your all wrong.. and you've no right to complain or have your own opinion.. but it does seem like many of you are crying before you've even given the line a fair shot?

This community and forum, posts up diorama shots of G.I.Joe photo's.. lets say I'm a new member and i have reasonably good photography skills. Unfortunately my enthusiasm is dampened by having a sub par camera and so my first few submissions need some work.. would it be fair to outright throw out my qualities on first showing? I guess not.. because in the future I might actually produce something of quality you might like.

I guess Hasbro aren't new and sub standard, so maybe my comparison is slightly out, after all they've been making figures now for two decades right if not longer.. so when they release there product it should be top quality and produced to the highest standard we expect of them, for the most part if not longer.

I can say the same about the 25th line, alot like JVC and the VvV line of figures I went out and bought them, they wasn't for me so I sold them on. If you can already judge just by looking at pictures of them online without seeing them in the flesh then so be it. That's your call.

What works for one fan doesn't work for another. I'm still going to give the figures a fair shot i've got them on order and when they arrive if i aint satisfied, i'll do what hasbro wants me to do .. write to them and ask them what they are going to do about it and probably sell them as I did with my JVC line.

I've heard crazy crazy things over the last few weeks, most of it regarding the 25th Anniversary stuff, at the end of the day if the line is as bad as people are making out, this won't last long surely?
Rich

[Dzirhan]

I haven't said much about the 25th line seeing I haven't got them yet but if I have any complaint, it'll probably be the inclusion of CC and Storm Shadow in the five pack, they should have left it as a pure troop builder pack IMO though if they do release the three troops on single cards, that might quieten some complaints. BTW those customs could actually be tests for future figures, I can't see characters like Lifeline, Leatherneck, Zarana and Airtight not been made down the line.

[Fantom]

[QUOTE=lehsreh][COLOR=Red]i dont know how well ill like them as i still havent saw them around here yet, but i want the letherneck, beach head, and pythona if im right and that was her. wasnt to happy with sepentor though.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I believe Pythona and Leatherneck were just customs and not actually part of the line (yet).

Beachhead looked sweet and Stalker and Firefly are shaping up to be 2 of my most anticipated figs. Zartan too. Looking forward to seeing the final product.

[gung ho]

dude!!! they got a pimp daddy destro!!! ahhh i still haven't got any of the first line but i do want one of thoughs buzzers

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=Urban Saboteur]So i hope the contrast is altered at some point, i've spoken through email with someone and they already have pictures in hand of the 25th Anniversary Figures. He is incredibly pleased with his purchases and says they look good as part of his collection, I don't want to just select the high ground and go against what people are reporting.. because if it is true about the vast majority of figures having poor quality control then that would be a shame, the idea of not having an O-ring has left a bitter taste amongst alot of fans/collectors.

For those actually being on this forum complaining and dissing hasbro's efforts how many of you can actually attest to have held one of these figures?

I'm not saying your all wrong.. and you've no right to complain or have your own opinion.. but it does seem like many of you are crying before you've even given the line a fair shot?

This community and forum, posts up diorama shots of G.I.Joe photo's.. lets say I'm a new member and i have reasonably good photography skills. Unfortunately my enthusiasm is dampened by having a sub par camera and so my first few submissions need some work.. would it be fair to outright throw out my qualities on first showing? I guess not.. because in the future I might actually produce something of quality you might like.

I guess Hasbro aren't new and sub standard, so maybe my comparison is slightly out, after all they've been making figures now for two decades right if not longer.. so when they release there product it should be top quality and produced to the highest standard we expect of them, for the most part if not longer.

I can say the same about the 25th line, alot like JVC and the VvV line of figures I went out and bought them, they wasn't for me so I sold them on. If you can already judge just by looking at pictures of them online without seeing them in the flesh then so be it. That's your call.

What works for one fan doesn't work for another. I'm still going to give the figures a fair shot i've got them on order and when they arrive if i aint satisfied, i'll do what hasbro wants me to do .. write to them and ask them what they are going to do about it and probably sell them as I did with my JVC line.

I've heard crazy crazy things over the last few weeks, most of it regarding the 25th Anniversary stuff, at the end of the day if the line is as bad as people are making out, this won't last long surely?
Rich[/QUOTE]

Rich, you know I haven't been keen on the 25th figs since the first pics appeared, but to be totally fair, I bought both 5-packs before I made any final decisions. Unfortunately they are very disappointing, both in design/articulation, and in quality control. Any future figures would have to be greatly improved or something special for me to buy any more. I really wanted them to be good, I want to buy more Joes, but they are just not up to scratch. I'm angry with Hasbro because I truly feel that they have deserted their traditional fan base by taking the line in the direction they have. :(

[Sonneilon]

I totally dig the repainted Stormy. Beachy looks hott. Buzzer's cool. Could care less about CC, Red Ninja (jeez), Lady Jaye, Shipshape... and Pimp Daddy. But dizzam, Serpentor looks pretty tight. Zartan! Dude!!!

Too bad we KNOW the quality is crap.

I admit, I like the Con set.

The 8" stuff. omg. I don't even know what some of those are.

[bravo]

ok guys here an up to date with more pics
http://i.toynewsi.com/g/?mode=album&album=07_SDCC%2FHasbro%2FGIJoe%2F25th
these are 2 & 3 waves. so yes we will see old sgt. and Pythona , :D :D :D :D :D :D
wrong one, not the top, but this one.
http://www.cooltoyreview.com/SDCC07/HasbroGIJoe/

[Sonneilon]

Leatherneck!!!

I didn't say so earlier but the Alley Viper is coming!!! That's so cool, even if he is Orange and Blue!!!

[Lava Boss]

Those are just customs (so far), the little Hasbro sign says so

See the sign (http://i.toynewsi.com/g/?mode=view&album=07_SDCC%2FHasbro%2FGIJoe%2F25th&pic=148.jpg&dispsize=800&start=60)

NOT AVAILABLE on their name tags...

Obviously made to gauge fan interest, though. Or Hasbro's goons are busy finding ways to reuse parts. Or both. Leatherneck looks very convincing.

Note the Night Creeper uses new Zartan parts...a figure we have yet to see a painted prototype of!

[bravo]

but still, there may be a change of hart,you never know Lava, I'm hoping that the Sgt is part of the line :D :D

[Stormer]

I took the customs to be Hasbro's answer to fans' fears that the new figures wouldn't have the same customizing possibilities as the old line (it came up in those Q&As they did). So these are saying "Look, you CAN customize them, look who you can make!" -- hopefully this won't be their way of excusing themselves from properly making some characters. I guess these customs show us what's possible if they do decide to produce Slaughter, Pythona, etc, but they'd still be WAY off as there's a huge difference between making a 1-off custom at 4" scale and creating a figure for production.

I'm pretty much unmoved either way from my existing feelings by the new pics. Some of them look really nice as representations of the characters (Beach Head in particular) but I have a few issues -- Lady Jaye apparently still doesn't get a removable cap, Serpentor's torso looks rather weird/bland considering the detail elsewhere, and the lack of cobra "hood" looks wrong considering the rest is pretty much a v1 update. I think the promised "army builder" pack with the VvV color-scheme CC & SS is stupid of them and what the hell's with that "Air Trooper" - gas-mask trooper with a JUMP repaint? They're already making up stuff to reuse parts instead of what they promised which was meant to be delving into the 25-year history... And on a semi-related note, I see the single-card Trooper is indeed a Viper Pilot -- I'd rather army-build the red logo...

Interesting that they used the Satan artwork and called it a Red Ninja. They also appear to have done a new head for him with the pointy "ears" on his mask making him more comic-accurate. In that vein, making his arms all-red too would have been nice.

Meh. The Marvel Legends previews have me more interested than the Joes, and even those are looking a bit dodgy in places (cutting back on articulation horribly). The JoeCon set seems to be the upcoming toys I'm most excited about at the moment!

[jjsvipers]

it looks like they are trying to fix the articulation problems people are having with the hips, if you look at the lady jay the grey proto one i guess looks like the changed her waist design from the painted version,but the zartan design looks like it will offer even more movement with the notches in his legs

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/?mode=view&album=07_SDCC%2FHasbro%2FGIJoe%2F25th&pic=069.JPG&dispsize=800&start=0

but this is a little over the top look at the popeye arms

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/?mode=view&album=07_SDCC%2FHasbro%2FGIJoe%2F25th&pic=295.jpg&dispsize=800&start=60

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=Stormer]The JoeCon set seems to be the upcoming toys I'm most excited about at the moment![/QUOTE]

That set is the only upcoming Joe stuff I'm excited about! :)

[Lava Boss]

Word is (joe battlelines) the current Hasbro GI JOE guy (there's a new one every year, seems like) said something about correcting issues, like the hip articulation. Scale wasn't one of them...but...at least they claim to notice. They've been good at doing that in the past. As well as passing the buck...

Like the $7 price tag for Star Wars figures. "It's based on retailers"

Even though the MSRP (manufacturor suggested retail price) is $6.99.

This time the factories in China are the scapegoat. Funny, GI JOE has factory issues, but Star Wars doesn't seem to.

[Sonneilon]

Oh, those are customs. I was too busy looking at the figures to notice anything else.

Btw, here's Recondo's ditty about GI Joe at SDCC blah blah blah...

Recondo says John Warden says... (http://www.joebattlelines.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13219)

[lightingtina]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]Oh, those are customs. I was too busy looking at the figures to notice anything else.

Btw, here's Recondo's ditty about GI Joe at SDCC blah blah blah...

Recondo says John Warden says... (http://www.joebattlelines.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13219)[/QUOTE]
so were just going to have to waite and see what will 2008 bring, its not that far way..

[Sonneilon]

It's nice to know that Hasbro knows of the problems plaguing the current figures. At the same time, it does sound like a rush job and the fact that the posse in China do what they want when it comes to American product designs. We can only blame Hasbro so far. Personally, I think Hasbro should've taken a stronger stance and made the factories in China do the figures over.