City Strike Snake eyes...what's the appeal?

[ender098]

Some figures I just NEVER understood the fascination with. Firefly never really impressed me much in the comic, or the action figure, but for some reason, people go Ga-Ga over him. And from the prices I see at BBTS and Smalljoes, it seems like everyone is impressed with City Strike Snake eyes...so question...WHAT IS THE APPEAL? What is so great about this guy? Not knocking him, he looks Ok, but I just think there are other versions of Snake eyes that are as good if not better.....

Discuss....


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[Tracker]

he is the exact resolute version of snake eye



[QUOTE=ender098]Some figures I just NEVER understood the fascination with. Firefly never really impressed me much in the comic, or the action figure, but for some reason, people go Ga-Ga over him. And from the prices I see at BBTS and Smalljoes, it seems like everyone is impressed with City Strike Snake eyes...so question...WHAT IS THE APPEAL? What is so great about this guy? Not knocking him, he looks Ok, but I just think there are other versions of Snake eyes that are as good if not better.....

Discuss....


LOL[/QUOTE]

[Flatline]

[QUOTE=Tracker]he is the exact resolute version of snake eye[/QUOTE]
Bingo! I think that's the whole apeal to it frank. Especialy with The death (for now anyways) of the Resolute figures he's one of the few that got released.

[Death_at_Midnight]

He's my hero!

[Sonneilon]

I tend to go ga ga over Lady GaGa myself. As for this SE, I just won him on ebay for about 1/3 of the price that Small Joes is pimping him at. But anyway...

[ender098]

Ok, ok, I get the whole "Resoulte" thing, but what I meant was, WHY is he so cool? Is that it? It's a "Brand" thing? Like Jordace and Swatch in the 80's? Both were pieces of crap as far as Jeans and watches went, but they were "Designer" and "Brand Name" , like Tommy Hilfiger so everyone had to have them because if you didn't you were "poor" and sucked! So If I remade Iceberg for Example and put "Resolute" on the package, or even made a Spirit figure like the one in Resoulte, it would be going for $34 on Smalljoes and BBTS?

I was kinda hoping someone would say something like, "yeah, he's got the new Waist/Hip articulation" or "He comes with a Superbad-ass gun and detachable Swords". But the only reason people want him is that he was molded after the Character in Resolute? Hmmmm....maybe I should save my cash and buy another 25th Black Commando Version......

[Black Knight]

My reasoning is different... while yes, he's resolute and that adds to his appeal, its more his look that caught my attention. I feel he's more "hi tech" looking and adds to the different outfits my SE can wear. This SE is in my top 3 favorites, right next to "Black Ops", and the RoC motorcycle version (with the trenchcoat version's head).

I will not pay more than retail for him tho and right now he's in all the stores here, so I paid 5.99 for both of mine.

[zedhatch]

First, I bought him for $5, second the only reason I did was cause I saw him literally everywhere.

First some knocks to this fig, his scabbard is rubber, very poor of hasbro to do that. Second his smaller gun looks like it was scaled for a mini-mate, third his bulky backpack looks like it belongs on croc mas-er-Night adder.

Anyway he is ok, I do like the did a black and grey thing with him rather than straight one or the other (or ad purple or some rediculous thing) but ultimatly he is pretty much the same old same old. A black/grey commando/ninja done so many times over. He is ok, not terrible, but because its the same as before I much prefer the Paris Pursuit version, he at least has something added, even if its just a trenchcoat.

[ender098]

see, now THIS is the kinda answer I was looking for....but thanks for all the input.....



[QUOTE=Black Knight]My reasoning is different... while yes, he's resolute and that adds to his appeal, its more his look that caught my attention. I feel he's more "hi tech" looking and adds to the different outfits my SE can wear. This SE is in my top 3 favorites, right next to "Black Ops", and the RoC motorcycle version (with the trenchcoat version's head).

I will not pay more than retail for him tho and right now he's in all the stores here, so I paid 5.99 for both of mine.[/QUOTE]

[Sonneilon]

Actually, Swatch's gimmick was producing a ton of watches in different styles and color schemes which were, for the most part, all the same price. OR they had classes of watches at the $20, $30, $40 mark and beyond.

Let's face it, watches are like cars. Utterly boring with the current color schemes. You don't get 'funky' colored cars these days. An Orange shows up on the Dodge Challenger. Yellow shows up on the Chevy Camaro. BUT you can buy just about ANY car in black, silver, blue and red. Even white is debatable. Green? not the 1st color people choose.

So with Swatch, a person could hook up with all sorts of patterns in various color schemes. AND they were supposed to be water-proof. Came with a neat scratch guard. For that time, it was huge. Now, I have no idea what watches are 'cool'


And consider Oakley did the same thing in the late 80s/early 90s.

[ender098]

Graham, Agreed....I just hate when people buy something because it's "IN". Especially when the quality is no better than other items of it's kind, it's just more expensive and has the "flavor of the day" designer logo or brand name! We can go on for hours about Oakley, Ray Ban, Jordache, Nike, Tommy Hilfiger, Abercrombie and Fitch, etc. Point is, I personally try to avoid FAD or Designer buying. I've never even set foot in a Starbucks! I WILL NOT ever buy a MAC! And I'll will be flayed alive before I will ever get an IPhone! And if you see me wearing Tommy Hilfiger (unless my misguided Aunt got it for me as a present!) SHOOT ME! LOL!!

[Otto the Otter]

Unless I'm looking at a descpription of each SE from the RoC line, they all look alike to me, but then again, he's not my favorite character either. I've got nothing against him or Storm Shadow; they're both bad-ass in their own right and I actually love the concept of Snake eyes as a commando who is ninja trained, but I just don't get ecited over him. In fact, I only have a SE and SS becuase I got them in a lot with other figures I wanted.


Funny thing is the original post mentioned Firefly. I never though much about him until I read a comic featuring him and then realized what a bad ass he is (hence my first photo posted on this site). SS and SE have somewhere in the neighborhood of 4,829 different versions of their figure and Firefly has 20something. Almost every version of Firefly is the exact same mold. I love the mold though. I've got all but the Hall of Heroes new style Firefly sitting right infront of me as I type and with the exception of the latest TRU release, they're the same mold, just different paint, and that mold wih it's accesories is is basically the same as the O-ring mold, just with the new style. The TRU exclusive is the same body as the Resolute blue shirts and has become my favorite figure.

Where am I going with this? I have no idea, my ADD kicked in and I lost focus. So anyway, I think Empire is the best of the six, but ANH will always be my favorite.

[haradrel]

I just skimmed the posts so this might already be here:

The articulation on him is the best I've come across in the whole 25th and ROC line, he gets cool gear, and the three figures I have are darn near flawless in paint applications as well as quality.

The visuals you get from the figure is great, he does have that appeal, but for me as a photographer its the articulation combined with the looks that makes this figure a win.

[vespapilot79]

I just like him for the cool s**t that come with the figure. Hes okay as a figure, but nothing special.I saw one at Walgreens last night.Wasnt going to pay the 11.99 price tag.

[ThinkTank]

I wasn't real impressed with the first pics I saw, but the figure is great in-hand. The articulation is great and the paint scheme works really well. The head sculpt is also top notch.

[KALASH69]

While he isn't my absolute favorite SE (82 style SE is my favorite), CS SE is certainly my second favorite, for a few reasons-

-He is practically 1/1 for the Resolute design:

Basically, as you all know, Resolute is pretty kick ass, and whats better then our favorite Ninja in the manner of Resolute? Not only is he a Reso version, BUT he is the only Resolute figure to date (with the exception of maybe CC) that is 1/1 screen accurate (save for the sword).

-The figure itself is a well designed, well articulated figure:

Resolute SE not only comes packed with accessories and gear, but he has one of the highest ranges of motion, thus making him a good source for parts and custom fodder as well. This is one of the handfull of figures that can properly shoulder a full size rifle. Plus his paint apps are amazingly accurate for a production figure.

-It's a true modern, Snake Eyes!

Dont get me wrong, I love the original designs (mainly V1 and V2) but I long for realistic, modern updates that dont involve accelerator suits. And this is just that.

All in all Im a huge sucker for the Resolute line, and while not officially a Resolute figure, he clearly is.

I got my first one months ago from asia for 16, then last week my girlfriend and I found one in walmart for 5 bucks (stashed behind some other toys, mind you). And I plan on picking up another for parts.

[Outrider]

The character of Snake Eyes, whatever version, is overrated. From his first incarnation as a cost-averaging all black figure in the original line up almost fifty versions later he has somehow morphed into an indestructible superhero mythical ninja. Talk about overkill! If Hasbro had spent half the effort wasted on unending versions of Snake Eyes and had instead used some imagination and given us new characters the line would be a lot less boring and repetitive than it is today. :rolleyes:

[Sonneilon]

Like the mask he wears for Resolute. Seems a bit hockey or mortal kombat-ish. The conceptual stuff for VvV was kinda neat too. He wore the usual skintight mask but had another one over it. So for this version to show up playing around with that idea, it's kinda neat. He's not on the top of my list, but I got him on ebay (yet to come) and well... he'll prolly end up in the figures box. lol



As for SWATCH. Their watches were deemed pricey back then, but $30 then was different than $30 now or whatever. I had a few of them. They were decent watches and very 80s. I was what, 12? 13? What sort of watch would I wear?

Now Oakleys and there $100 msrps, geez... Gargoyles were like that too and now they are at Big5 for $15! LOL! What we have to pay for a name. (Nike, isn't it still pretty big?)

[General Scarlett]

[QUOTE=Outrider]The character of Snake Eyes, whatever version, is overrated. From his first incarnation as a cost-averaging all black figure in the original line up almost fifty versions later he has somehow morphed into an indestructible superhero mythical ninja. Talk about overkill! If Hasbro had spent half the effort wasted on unending versions of Snake Eyes and had instead used some imagination and given us new characters the line would be a lot less boring and repetitive than it is today. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

QFT.


Snake Eyes is much more interesting a character as part of the team-not as a solo artist.

[Dreadnok Dread]

[QUOTE=General Scarlett]QFT.


Snake Eyes is much more interesting a character as part of the team-not as a solo artist.[/QUOTE]


I just wish he would have actually talked! The mystery appeal sucks after a while especially in the comics!

[Jay]

[QUOTE=Outrider]If Hasbro had spent half the effort wasted on unending versions of Snake Eyes and had instead used some imagination and given us new characters the line would be a lot less boring and repetitive than it is today. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Pfeh, speak for yourself.
I'll take Snake-Eyes over Agent Mary Sue, erm I mean Helix, any damn day of the week.

[Sonneilon]

But to intro new characters (in which they kinda did in the movie, albeit, revamped them) is a crap shoot. I think a lot of the problem with new characters is that in written form, they can be awesome (cept of Hard Drive and Link Talbot). It's their execution that sucks rocks.

Let's be honest here. The 25A/MOdernAge/ROC figures are here. They provide better sculpting and some way out there designs. For the most part, there execution has been quite good. BUT take the latter o-ring days and while good characters were created, their execution as a plastic figure has been iffy.

We can cite CHARACTERS like Bombstrike, Plague, Crosshair and Blackout have been awesome. Their figures range from not-so-hott to ok (by today's standards). C'mon, Crosshair can barely hold a gun and it takes some major manipulation and a lot of patience to make him work. Imagine him with current sculpting. Those wrists can work wonders for him. (give him a better head sculpt too) Blackout? Dude was cross-eyed and suffered arm articulation. Plague still has potential. Bombstrike... Errrrr, give her the modern fix and man... Just fix that pathetic t-shirt!!!

We can site losers like Hard Drive, Link Talbot, Coil Crusher, anything action attack... The t-crotch had some great designs but the lack of proper waist and leg articulation makes them a joke.






So as for the original topic. I'm guessing the figure is faithful (which doesn't often happen) and he has great articulation. Perhaps look PAST the character and see the toy. It is entirely possible that the articulation recipe for Mr Eyes is a prototype of upcoming figures. Certainly, a lot of what VvV and DTC did were ideas for the 25A. (ball neck joints, swivel wrists, etc)

[Jay]

I have no hate for guys like Crosshair and Widescope and the Stall family.

The problem is, a lot of new characters tend to be overpowered. Just look at Big Brawler and Sure Fire from the Real American Hero Collection. One hybridizes Outback, Snake-Eyes all in an 80s action star loose cannon package, which is awful. The other mixes Chuckles, Shockwave and Quick Kick with some Hollywood FBI Hero thrown in. They're both awful, awful characters.
Wreckage, likewise, is able to WRITE ON PEOPLE'S HELMETS AND BACKS WITHOUT THEM NOTICING.

Helix is the worst offender of all. She can learn ANYTHING just by seeing it performed, she can instantly analyze situations, recognize weapons and their capacity, predict enemy moves and everything, everything, comes easy to her.
Say what you will about Snake-Eyes, it took him some epic hard work and a lot of personal tragedies for him to become what he is today. Helix, on the other hand, is the Mary Sue of all Mary Sues to whom everything comes easily.

And yeah, some people will say "Well then I'll just ignore the filecard/comic/whatever" and do my own thing!
To them I say: Quit hating on Snake-Eyes and do the same with him, then.


As for the City Strike figure, I bought the Rescue Mission version and wasn't very impressed. He can't hold his gun well, there is no way he can draw his sword realistically, posing his legs always knocks his belt out of the way and he's just too bulky for my liking in general. I much prefer the first ROC Snake-Eyes, provided you give him a Paris Pursuit SE head first.

[zedhatch]

I don't think joes have had a decent new character since the original ARAH days (around 1990, but a few scattered in the years after, Heavy Duty was good as he was written back then for instance). I applaud hasbro for some efforts this year (Night adder, ect) but none of them stood out.

The JvC-VvV new characters all suffered from a lack of believablity and individualism. Hard Drive was there to replace Mainframe, Faces was there to replace chuckles ect. While updates are good, the line needed some freshness rather than the same character with a different name. Again Night adder at least had a specialty not used for cobra yet (Although with it he seemed a bit of a take off of croc master, the mask didn't help either).

Helix was vastly overpowered and as such was a joke of herself. The Big Brawler of the new milenium (Just a gothy chick is all).

The ARAH collector edition character not only suffered from fill in syndrome, they used old molds that were pretty identifable with thier orginals (Big Brawler-Outback, Roablock was almost paited the exactly same way and renamed Doublle Blast for no real apparent reason).

I think the last new character I felt anything besides laughter for was Bulletproof in 1993 (guessing I don't feel like checking joeindes or yo joe right now and I do tend to mix up 90-94 figures and release dates).

But on that same token I am SICK to death of seeing the same characters over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over to the point of nausium. Sanke Eyes is one of the main offenders (or offended depending on your POV). I intend to stay away from such characters unless they are something unique, even though I caved to the $5 sale for CS SE, I don't feel he falls into that catagory.

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=Jay]Pfeh, speak for yourself.[/QUOTE]

I believe I was speaking for myself Jay. As far as I know the forums are here for that very reason. There's no need to dis me just because you don't agree with what I say.

[Flatline]

I love my Mary Sue I love my City Strike I love my Duke figures @*&%# you all who hate on figures cause their file cards and articulation or they actor who plays in a movie them sucks. This is one reason the forums are a bunch of bull and I don't really visit them. Let me be a kid and play with my F@&%N toys aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh thanks for the vent. ;)

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