I was reading an article the other day and it claimed a show had "Jumped the Shark". I had NO CLUE what this meant, so being inquisitive, I looked it up! I looked it up and found out in Hollywood they use that term to denote when a show has hit it's peak and begins it's downhill slide (getting boring, monotonous, hard to believe or suffering from lack of creativity from the writers and totally breaks from canon........sort of like how BattleStar Galactica has for me lately!) Anyway......

As Far As the First run Marvel Comics run went, when did the comic "Jump the Shark" in your opinion? For me it was when they mirrored Desert Storm in Aberrjan or Trucial Albismia (or whatever tha place was) and killed off BF2000, Doc, Breaker, CrankCase, etc.

Although come to think of it, BF2000 sort of marked the jumping of the Shark!

(Jumping the Shark came from the Happy Days Episode when Fonzie jumped a Shark on Water skis, that episode was so hard to swallow it marked the departure of a lot of fans and began the phrase "Jump the Shark")

What do you think.......discuss.......

Just after the Cobra War for me.

As much as I like the Transformers and was okay with the concept of a crossover, those issues just got daft. Cobra Commander was spouting ten-dollar words for comic relief, 2 out of 3 lines from any Cobra character/trooper was a joke or at least tongue-in-cheek (I know there was always humor but I'm sure it used to be more balanced), Dr. Mindbender returned as a clone, the plot with Scarlett in Cobra as a double agent was just abandoned when Megatron showed up...

I'd say that was the right-over-the-shark moment, with Firefly & his Zombified Ninjas being the run-up. At least that had consistent art from Wildman & Baskerville; when Megatron arrived they left and we had a different artist every issue for ages, often multiple artists in a single issue! And of course, the ludicrous "starring SNAKE EYES" on the cover...

Toys, it was probably Eco-Warriors. If not, DEFINITELY Armor-Tech.

Wasn't RnR and Clutch kidnapped and brainwashed? Or they were kidnapped by brainwashed people? I remember something that involved kids and that was the point where I was saying, "WTF? Did this just become Ghostbusters? What's with the kids?" I thought the art went downhill too which really soured me to things.

clutch and r&r were caught by the dreadnoks at the new cobra town, broca beach and were brainwashed into not remembering where it was. and into makeing them killing machines, which did not work, remember the 2 girls who found the joe base.

Spot on G. The Cobra civil war was the last great storyline of the Marvel run.

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I started to post this in the Favorite Joes thread in defense of Slice, but I figure I'll put it here since it fits better.

The post-100 issues aren't that bad. There's no arguing that the series was past it's prime, but it still had a lot going for it. Yes, the goofy sub-groups are there, but there's lots of good stuff too, including "Destro: Search and Destroy," the battle at the Silent Castle in Trans-Carpathia, the return to Borovia wherein Hawk gets shot (again!), Cobra's invasion of Pit III (which is one of Duke's best moments in the comic series), the Scarlett as a defector storyline, and the Star Brigade story-- which, though I have problems with the existence of Star Brigade, is actually a really good story if you can get past the inherent "wrong-ness" of its premise.

Plus there's lots of good soap operatics, which was always one of my favorite aspects of the series, and a good chunk of it was drawn by Andrew Wildman, one of the best artists to grace the pages of the series.

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I never really was into G.I.Joe comic (just own a 3 or four issues) - simply I never had the whole story. I preferred to make my own stories playing with the toys

But as long as the figures go, I think that they "jumped the shark" around Armour Tech series (they really COULD be better delivered...) and real downhill is for me the newest series - beginning from the year 2000. Characters are overmade - arms like a bear and hips thinner than Twiggy... (the Spy Troops flint waistpiece is smaller than classic Joe) and somehow I don't like the concept. Apart from a few GOOD ideas and remakes - old figures with remolded heads - they look well

And - one thing that come to my mind right now. G.I.Joe always reacted quicky to the newest trends and fashions. TMNT? Here you go with Ninja Force and similar. Star Wars Remastered? Launch Star Brigade (it's a simplification, but still...). So I would say, that taking whole G.I.Joe series under scrutiny, you'll have a full view of what themes were in fashon - I think there's no other series like that

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The sacrifice of innocence the hailing of the gun
My way was death and madness, now let the Tower come

Let us not forget DEF = Cops, Eco Warriors = Capt Planet, Mega Marines = Aliens and the Set I'm dying to get even though I HATE the concept Dino Hunters = Jurassic Park.( I just want a Blond Lowlight figure) LOL!