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09-08-2008, 07:16 PM	#1
Sonneilon aka 'Paul WS Anderson' ;) Offline --> Posts: 7,751 --> Join Date: Jul 2005	How-to Dios Sonneilon’s style of doing dios. This is how I do things. NOT that you have to, but you gotta know that a lot of people do worse… 1. Have an idea in your head of a story. I don’t script it out. That’d be too much like writing for me. 1a. Consult with friends whether the concept is sound or just lame. When you start shooting, bounce off teasers to gauge reaction. 2. Pick your characters. The characters need to cater to the story. IF you want a story in the jungle or desert, you probably don’t need WINTERIZED soldiers running around. Also, don’t try to do too much. If you are doing said scenario, don’t throw down ARCTIC scenes unless you REALLY know what you are doing. 3. Find locations to shoot. I’ve skateboard and snowboarded for over 20 years. It’s no secret that us boarder-types see the world differently. Walk by a bank (slanted hill; concrete), you might think nothing of it. But I’ll want to hit that on a skateboard. Same with snowboarding. We see kickers where the average skier wouldn’t. The MORE exotic the location the better. 3a. Get used to manipulating the viewers’ perspective. What might look like a crap location, close in on it and make it believable as something entirely different. Scale comes into play. Sometimes, the scale won’t work. What looks great for 8” (Sigma6) won’t work for 1/18” inch and etc. I’ve run into this many times where I find THE greatest spot just for it to fail for one of the scales. 4. Understand basic photography. Shoot under the manual settings so you can play with framerate and whatnot. THIS can turn a yellow picture from indoor shooting in a natural light setting. The slower the framerate, the more real it looks. Faster framerates mean there is more light available. 4a. Understand that cropping can change the feel and look of the shot. Do you REALLY need all that extra ‘stuff’ in the shot? This falls under manipulating the shot. I believe it was the 1st part of “HUNT FOR SONNEILON” where I shot under a foot bridge. I didn’t let the viewer see what wasn’t needed so it looked like the ‘old metal factory’ that I wanted. For the Crankcase & Lady Jaye part of “HUNT”, I made sure NOBODY saw what I was really shooting on! 4b. Understand perspective. Take MULTIPLE damn shots! From various angles. Don’t POST every damn angle. Use the best one. 5. If the shot is to your liking, you crop the shot to what you want. THEN you resize. Resize something manageable. What good is a 600x800 shot if it has a ton of crap you don’t need? Is it a scenery shot or a close up? Where’s the focus of the shot??? RESIZE!!! 5a. If you are using Comic Book Creator (CBC), it can be difficult. All I know is that the edition I had was crap. All my shots were 1000xWhatever. The CBC would do all the work BUT you gotta try and put that shot into a specific sized frame which means, you can lose a lot that you want to keep due to CBC cropping the shot before you! 5b. If you are working with just normal shots viewed thru Windows Slide Show (like me), then you gotta know that you gotta play with picture size. 600x800 is USUALLY the largest. To make the viewer scroll around, it’s not fair cuz the viewer loses the energy and the feel of the shot. My large shots are 600x800 and then I work smaller! THIS way of working is AGAINST the average manipulator because a lot of people like to work with a LARGE palette when adding fx and whatnot. I like to work on a small scale and this is why… 5c. IF the shot is too dark, try lightening it. If it’s too light, darken it. Play with brightness and contrast. Some shots can be saved this way. However, you want to keep a certain consistency in the story and if comes from light to dark to light with no reason… Well, you just lost the viewer. 6. This is up for discussion. Throw down effects first or throw in the word balloons? I personally do word balloons first cuz the story has to come first. We aren’t animated and we aren’t quite comic. We are using figures that have static facial expressions which means, unless you are GOOD, you can’t tell anger from sadness on a figure (easily). I do STORY and monologue/dialogue first then effects. Or I junk the text and just do action. BTW, this also includes when you cut n paste stuff to create a whole new shot… 7. THIS part is really tough. KNOW what you are gonna use for text in the shot. CATER the cropping and sizing to what needs to be said. There is nothing worse than making the shot too small to make the word balloon work right. MAKE the balloon size to what you think will work for you. Too often, us viewers see word balloons TOO BIG for the text involved. I tend to throw down what I ASSUME is about right and then fill it up. Get used to adapting to making things work. It is very annoying and frustrating and THAT is the ONLY reason why a script is needed. My dios can be very wordy because I’m trying to get a lot of information across. BUT at times, I make the balloons too big and being too lazy, I won’t go back to the original shot and fix it. I’ll fill the balloon up instead. At the same time, I haven’t made balloons big enough! 7a. Keep in mind, DON’T let the word balloons cover TOO MUCH of the character speaking OR the action. Comic books often have this problem, not us dioists. I admit, I’ve had to cover up MORE of the figure than I like on many occasions. 8. USE a consistent TEXT size. I tend to use a 10pt. IF they are shouting, I’ll use capitals. IF it’s that emotionally charged, then yes, go bigger. But don’t do 10 pt in 1 frame and then 18 in another. It makes no sense and throws off the reader. TRY to use the same FONT too. PICK ONE! I use Comic Sans MS for all talking. Bookman Old Style for explosions. And if the character is weird (like Zartan), I’ll use Chiller. I try to keep myself limited on FONTS to keep things consistent. (My Overkill uses Chiller too) 9. Once you get the whole text balloon thing figured out, then deal with effects. I can’t go into detail about this because this is a whole ‘nother area. It’s about a toy figure kicking another. Or punching. Or the blades of a helicopter. Whatever. Don’t look at me. I’m still learning. This is from cut n pasting on to a new background to adding lighting effects. 10. Get used to SAVING a lot. Layers? EACH text should be a separate layer. EACH fx addition should be a layer. 11. Let’s get anal here. Some say, ‘SAVE YOUR ORIGINAL SHOTS!” Some say, “SAVE YOUR LAYERS!” I don’t know. Not usually. If I’m done with the shot, I’ll lose the originals. I almost NEVER save the layers. 11a. Create a SPECIFIC folder for your dio. Create a specific folder for 1-shots. Don’t lose your work in a folder you can’t remember. Keep a MISC, UNUSED, ORIGINAL and “FULL” folder. “FULL” refers to the actual dio and nothing else. 11b. NUMBER the damn shots! If you don’t number them right off the bat, are YOU going to remember which shot is which months later??? How about sending them to someone out of order? 11c. Title pages are nice. Depending on how you want your work… I have a page that has WHO did it, then the title page then the story. For those of you who got an actual copy (as opposed to viewing it on the internet), Sonneilon Studios Presents GI Joe is actually the 1st shot. I’ve done more complicated versions in the past and trust me, it’s a headache. 11d. Find someone who can host them OR use a free hosting site. IF you use a hosting site (photobucket.com), then make a specific ‘album’ for the dio. Otherwise, anything else in that album could get lost in the shuffle. Where’s the story start or end before we run into OTHER pictures that have NOTHING to do with the story??? 12. These are just basics of doing a dio. How you end up doing it, it’s all you. But just know, these are pretty normal methods and just following this little list, it’ll turn a not-so-hot dio into a pretty nice. Remember, it’s mostly about manipulation of the viewer’s eye. Fool the viewer into what you want them to see. Just like the Harry Potter movies & books!

09-09-2008, 03:01 PM	#2
lehsreh G.I. Smurf Offline --> Posts: 3,446 --> Join Date: Jan 2006	1. Have an idea in your head of a story. I don’t script it out. That’d be too much like writing for me. i do the idea thing, but most times i write the whole script. its easier when you go and add the speech and i know exactly what pics i will need and what angle. but i have done them by just having an idea too. 1a. Consult with friends whether the concept is sound or just lame. When you start shooting, bounce off teasers to gauge reaction. i cant do this because then they would say dont use sci-fi, lol 2. Pick your characters. The characters need to cater to the story. IF you want a story in the jungle or desert, you probably don’t need WINTERIZED soldiers running around. exactly, i did a lot of customs for my winter scene, that and use joes that already had winter looking gear. the same will be for my future desert dio, 4a. Understand that cropping can change the feel and look of the shot. Do you REALLY need all that extra ‘stuff’ in the shot? so true. 95% of my shots are long range shots, then i crop them to use what i need from the scene. 4b. Understand perspective. Take MULTIPLE damn shots! From various angles. Don’t POST every damn angle. Use the best one. i honestly think this is the most important part of doing dios. i only use about 1 out of 8 shots. 7a. Keep in mind, DON’T let the word balloons cover TOO MUCH of the character speaking OR the action. Comic books often have this problem, not us dioists. I admit, I’ve had to cover up MORE of the figure than I like on many occasions. i think i try this to much, i really try not to cover any of the figure whatsoever. 8. USE a consistent TEXT size. YOU TALKING ABOUT ME!?! next thing you'll want correct spelling... seriously, i do use the same word font, but i usually do some more cropping after words, and not all of my pictures are the same size so they dont show up the same size so i have to guess. 11. Let’s get anal here. Some say, ‘SAVE YOUR ORIGINAL SHOTS!” still have everyone of mine, even a lot of shots i didnt use. 11a. Create a SPECIFIC folder for your dio. Create a specific folder for 1-shots. Don’t lose your work in a folder you can’t remember. Keep a MISC, UNUSED, ORIGINAL and “FULL” folder. “FULL” refers to the actual dio and nothing else. 11b. NUMBER the damn shots! If you don’t number them right off the bat, are YOU going to remember which shot is which months later??? How about sending them to someone out of order? this should go without saying. 11c. Title pages are nice. yes, i like doing my title pages. not to brag but i think mine are actually pretty nice.

09-09-2008, 03:06 PM	#3
haradrel Resolute fanboi Offline --> Posts: 4,184 --> Join Date: Jan 2008	Love this - most are so called "no-brainers" but people forget (me especially) so its nice to have a "guide" of sorts lying about. __________________ Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special Olympics - You may win, but you are still retarded

09-09-2008, 05:13 PM	#4
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09-10-2008, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonneilon

7. THIS part is really tough. KNOW what you are gonna use for text in the shot. CATER the cropping and sizing to what needs to be said. There is nothing worse than making the shot too small to make the word balloon work right. MAKE the balloon size to what you think will work for you. Too often, us viewers see word balloons TOO BIG for the text involved. I tend to throw down what I ASSUME is about right and then fill it up. Get used to adapting to making things work. It is very annoying and frustrating and THAT is the ONLY reason why a script is needed.

My dios can be very wordy because I’m trying to get a lot of information across. BUT at times, I make the balloons too big and being too lazy, I won’t go back to the original shot and fix it. I’ll fill the balloon up instead. At the same time, I haven’t made balloons big enough!

Try doing the text first, then make the balloon. I find it a lot easier to do that way.

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09-10-2008, 04:17 AM	#6
haradrel Resolute fanboi Offline --> Posts: 4,184 --> Join Date: Jan 2008	I made a "how to" on the story part of a dio - just something to get peoples creative juices flowing somewhat (or give them a starting point.). I'm thinking along the lines of people who disregard a story completely - or don't know how to set it up from the start (as its easy to have some things, or some parts of the story nicely in your own noggin' and forget that the rest of the world doesn't know what's going on behind the scenes of your very own joe verse). Jumping right into the action is something I feel could be called a beginners mistake (I know I've made it with my mini-dios, but they were meant as such anyway). For a fullblown dio people should have a story in mind that they want to tell. - Hope my ramblings help on that part. __________________ Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special Olympics - You may win, but you are still retarded

09-10-2008, 07:54 AM	#7
Sonneilon aka 'Paul WS Anderson' ;) Offline --> Posts: 7,751 --> Join Date: Jul 2005	Please add your own thoughts to the whole shebang. This is just how I do things which works and sometimes, doesn't. lol I meant to say that earlier. It would make sense to do text first then balloon, but I use WHITE balloons. So if I put the balloon over top, it'll layer the white on top making the text disappear. Hey, I'll say use Sci-Fi! Wait, the concept or the character???

09-10-2008, 08:17 AM

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It would make sense to do text first then balloon, but I use WHITE balloons. So if I put the balloon over top, it'll layer the white on top making the text disappear.

Try creating a separate layer to draw balloons on and place it under the text layers.

(Not sure what your options for layers are in the program you use. I'm using Photoshop.)

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09-10-2008, 02:26 PM	#9
Sonneilon aka 'Paul WS Anderson' ;) Offline --> Posts: 7,751 --> Join Date: Jul 2005	Photoshop has word balloons???

09-10-2008, 05:48 PM

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Photoshop has word balloons???

No, it doesn't.

I draw the balloons myself in Photoshop on their own layer. Only takes ten seconds to do, quick and easy. I prefer to draw them myself instead of using a circle tool because you can get the balloons tighter around the text, leaving less white space and it covers less of the photo. They're a little rough but I like the hand-drawn look.

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