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10-18-2007, 06:11 PM
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aka 'Paul WS Anderson' ;)
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I made a comment earlier about how the different GI Joe staff is into different aspects of GI Joe. I think Blaylock even admitted coming in 'late' to the GI Joe universe. The example that was used was that Blaylock chose Lifeline over Doc because he was familiar with Lifeline but not Doc. If you guys read some of Justin's reviews, he gives a little bit of insight on what the sculptors really preference. There are, apparently, some DD fans there and the DD influence crept into the toyline. Zartan, Serpentor and even Firefly are prime examples.
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10-18-2007, 06:21 PM
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Self-Important
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Another Perspective
Guys,
I've been watching the collector realm for a very long time and have noticed something...there is a mentality among some collectors that figures MUST NEVER be removed from its package. This is especially true in circles like the Star Wars and Star Trek collectors. If this belief has infiltrated the minds of the Harvard/Yale MBAs running the show at GI Joe HQ, this would explain the "Show Case" that the five packs are all being packaged in. The 25th anniversary single packs are all glossy and showy and can easily be hung up to display.
Now I like to "play" with my figures. This means they rarely stay in their packaging unless I have multiples of them or they are common enough that I feel that I can find a MOC later. I know that all of us have loose figures, but I think the reason we're seeing such poor quality in these new figures is that;
A) They are not being play tested at a level close enough to the directors that they can see the short-comings, ie. the directors don't have children of the right age to take these toys home to them.
B) The directors have adopted a "Never Open" stance in a way of "better supporting" the collectors - not that they know what the majority of GI Joe collectors really want.
C) The line needs an enema. A strong backstory and someone with a firm grip of the vision behind the story to direct the development of the line and direction the line should go in.
Star Wars has been held up as the figure line to beat. Yes, Star Wars was the first widely accepted 3 3/4" figure line in the US...but they have had to adapt the line to kids who remember the old GI Joes with swivel battle grip and articulated knees and elbows. Eventually, even Lucas (George Lucas has final say over the toy designs that Hasbro releases - a deal he didn't have back in the Kenner days) had to acquiesce to the demands of a fanbase who wouldn't accept the same stick figures that started the line.
The real problem comes back to the Hasbro GI Joe Directors who are under pressure to reduce the cost of the individual units. If tooling and molds similar to the ones used for the Star Wars line is utilized then a separate design and engineering department doesn't have to be hired to maintain the line and research the materials needed to produce the line. The legal department doesn't have to follow up on every potential figure patent and design infringement - there is only one way to produce the figures so no matter which line, if the patent is infringed upon it is very easy to prove.
There are multiple business reasons that GI Joe has suffered. It looks like Extensive Enterprises won in the end.
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10-18-2007, 07:26 PM
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That Light Dude
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wow. well put Bayer.
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10-18-2007, 07:52 PM
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G.I. Smurf
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bayer
Guys,
I've been watching the collector realm for a very long time and have noticed something...there is a mentality among some collectors that figures MUST NEVER be removed from its package. This is especially true in circles like the Star Wars and Star Trek collectors. If this belief has infiltrated the minds of the Harvard/Yale MBAs running the show at GI Joe HQ, this would explain the "Show Case" that the five packs are all being packaged in. The 25th anniversary single packs are all glossy and showy and can easily be hung up to display.
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this is most likely the reason to be honest. i bought some star wars figures at a local flea market from a collector who still had them mint. as soon as i got them i opened them where i was so i could touch them. he wondered why i did that when they were mint. i told him a toy untouched wasnt a toy at all. since this is the 25th hasbo is probably think most people will buy them to keep, which i believe a lot are. with this mindset the toys really dont need to do much, like sit properly since in their minds their never gonna be posed.
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10-18-2007, 08:13 PM
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That Light Dude
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i have to agree with hershel. I attempted to "play" with a 25th firefly this evening. like i said earliar this is one of two 25ths i own. I really do like the gear, but... so im watching tv and fooling around with new set i built, and i was attempting to pose F.F. knocking out chuckles. I now have a new hate for this series. Like what was said, they do look amaing in th package, but the damn articulation doesn't allow for good elbow movement! and his fists are so frickn small!!!! tiny handed bastard!
its true! these figures are not ment to be played with. heaven forbid my son throws a parachute on him tosses him straight up. the damn thing would shatter! I just want something fun to play with, and thanks to this damn 25 f.f. i ran to my laptop and just spent a crap load on evil bay getting con figs to release my frustration. Sometimes I'm just like my girlfriends, shopping does get rid of stress.
cory
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10-19-2007, 04:13 AM
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Enjoying the season
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Originally Posted by lehsreh
he wondered why i did that when they were mint. i told him a toy untouched wasnt a toy at all. since this is the 25th hasbo is probably think most people will buy them to keep, which i believe a lot are. with this mindset the toys really dont need to do much, like sit properly since in their minds their never gonna be posed.
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Maybe, the execs at big H should watch Toy Story 2 again to review.
Buzz: "You're not a collector's item. YOU - ARE - A - TOY!"
My question is: Why can't they give us both? Something that looks good MOC that is also useful to pose out. I hardly have any MOC, as I like to use what I buy. Otherwise, aren't you just collecting dust?
It's nice to see pics of a collection MOC, but what interests me is whether a picture tells a good story or not, or could be part of a dio some day. Even collections posed out in rows are decent pics, as they could serve a purpose in a dio. Pics of MOC don't do that for me. Nice to see, but I move on quickly.
I am glad there are people who enjoy posing figures, and I'm glad there are people who keep things MOC. And we can all peacefully co-exist for our love of the Joes!
Joe
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