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02-04-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by G.I.*Jock

While I understand people may rate things they like better than things they don't, I truely hope users on the site are more sensible with their vote. It seems petty to me. As well a definate abuse of the rating system, I doubt very much that the purpose of the rating system was intended for people to badly rate a picture because they dislike the subject(s) portrayed within the image. I hate Sigma 6. But I'd never badly rate a S6 image. Or think my work superior to it because it isn't what I like. Give people their due... If the pic is fine, but features Joe's we don't like then so what? It deserves a high rating, give it one. Who are we to dismiss a picture just because we don't like the subject? Everyone puts a lot of time and effort into taking pictures, so be thoughful of that before you badly rate a picture of Ice Cream Soldier or someone awful like that... 99% (I hope) Of the users on Joedios are here for the love of all things Joe and wouldn't be so petty to badly rate a pic because their favourite figure isn't it, be them s6 lovers or anti s6, or vice versa.

Not all Pics uploaded are for the Target Range firing squad to give their thoughts on the subject of the picture.

As a community, we should get into the spirit of the site and quit with the arrogance?

If people on Joedios are truely like what lehsreh describes then please speak up. I don't wanna be part of a site where the community is that selfish.

The fact users may do such a thing makes me more angry and confused than I was about my the unexplained bad ratings my photo's got.

Quite simply, it's utter Pish.

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i understand what you are saying, and i did not mean that i would give a sigma 6 a 1 star rating, just that if it were sitting beside a pic of a 3 3/4 pic of the same quality and i had to give one a 5 star it would be the latter. and as you said that you would not want to be part of a community where people are "petty", i think the same can be said for this place if everyone gave everybody a 5 star rating just because they do not want to hurt ones feelings. as i said before, my pic didnt get 5 stars, nor did i expect it to, its just not that good. if this site is a place where no one can give what they truely think for a rating and we cant take a lil bad criticism then i do not think i would want to be here. we are not kids, not everyone is gonna think the same about every pic, dio or whatever. lets all be grown up and let people do and say what they truely believe in, isnt freedom of expression an american right?

02-04-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lehsreh

I don't think any one has a problem with a picture being rated a 1 or 2 if is not very good. The problem arises when good pictures are rated poorly, seemingly out of spite. Constuctive criticism is always welcomed; after all, if you are doing something wrong, you want to be told so that you can fix it. What angers most people is a poor rating without an explanation. If someone doesn't like a pic, that's fine. Out of common courtesy, just let the contributor know why you don't like it. And you are absolutely right when you say that there is no point giving every picture a 5 just so no one's feelings are hurt, as that defeats the purpose of a rating system just as fully as giving everything a 1. All we need for the rating system to work as intended is for everyone to use it honestly!

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02-05-2007, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lehsreh

OK lehsreh, here is the thing.. nobody here is asking you to spare your ratings.
You used the example of a 3 3/4 pic sitting next to a sigma 6 pic.. and you had to give one a 5 star? Why not them both?
I mean c'mon everyone if a picture deserves a 5 star surely it should be rated it right? You don't have to be totally selective with your stars.. on a similar note if they were both 3 3/4 pics why does only one have to get a 5 star? Again I stress if both are of equal quality they should both get 5* ratings it really is that simple.

I am of the belief that the rating system was set up as to decide overall picture quality and execution. Usually I will first type into the reply box any comments I have to say about the pic. Usually if its eco warriors, ninja force or sigma 6 I explain that its usually not my liking.. but it never effects the overall rating of the pic.. if someone has the desire, liking or patience to spend a couple of hours setting up figures and taking the perfect shot.. and the execution is good then it deserves a 5 star rating and that contributor should get his dues.

Onto selfishness and pettyness.. people on here aren't (I hope) going to rate every pic a 5 star rating just to avoid hurting peoples feelings.. but look back at Jocks (dave) recent pictures and some of Outriders.. the figures are in focus.. sure they are dark.. but OM F G. They are meant to be dark as they are night shots/dark shots where he's experimented with the light/darkness. It's not that they have come out wrong or incorrect its simply the style of shot he's taken. The figures for the most part in both pictures are in focus.

Outrider was spot on .. most of the people on here will take criticism on the chin.. I for one will do.. but its simply frustrating when you know the pic deserves higher than its being rated.
As for freedom of speech.. take this your last comment:
"If this site is a place where no one can give what they truely think for a rating and we cant take a lil bad criticism then i do not think i would want to be here."

Bad criticism.. shouldnt be tolerated.. its bad because for the last two weeks people have been rating quality pictures a 1 or 2 star without saying why? I think you meant to say just criticism..
This is not about being childish and its not about being petty or not being able to take criticism on the chin.. this is about us as members being able to structure and support each other in our efforts to getting a better shot of our joes. If I released 15 Joe pics onto the board and got 1 or 2 star ratings everytime without comments on where I was going wrong I'd be frustrated as hell..
1. Because I'd want to get to a 5*
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2. because I'd want to know what I was doing wrong.

The reasons behind these recent drop in ratings has nothing to do with opinion and I have every reason to suspect its more to do with as outrider put it "out of spite" this is the selfishness that dave referred to in his earlier post.

Now that the ratings system has been tweaked and people are hopefully working towards a similar goal we may get to see some balance and normality again

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02-05-2007, 05:34 AM	#34
lance Junior Member Offline --> Posts: 20 --> Join Date: Nov 2006	well said ! son , you speak your mind and what you say others only think .

02-05-2007, 06:36 AM	#35
lehsreh G.I. Smurf Offline --> Posts: 3,446 --> Join Date: Jan 2006	mmm, why would anyone give someone a 1 star out of spite? ive saw that written a few times and i dont know what you all mean. is it because someone has given someone a 1 star and then they do it back. i dont think that is the case...i hope its not the case anyway. and still, in my opinion a pic is judged partly on what is in the pic, (and i have a pretty strong art background, be it not in photography, but in pencil, poetry and martial arts, which the form that you have to perfect) the reason i still say this is because creativity has to be part of any art. once again i defend my point of view. say for example, and no this has never been done, someone on here is going to say "but no one does that" this is only a made up example. say i took a pic of a wall, the wall is blue in color with no markings what so ever. no pictures or anything on it. just blue flat surface. my pic is in perfect focus, the lighting is like the gods above have shown on it, would anyone give me 5 stars??? i hope not. and say i painted a smily face on a canvas, the yellow is so perfect that they have now named it the defaut yellow and the eyes are perfectly spaced apart. put my painting next to the mona lisa or something from luis royo and would you still give my oh so perfect smily face a 5??? dont get me wrong for saying this though,i hardly ever rate pics and when i do i think the lowest i have ever given was a 3 and that was because it was very, very blurry. i know someone on here has to give lower ratings, i had a 5 until someone had to give me a one, but im ok with that. and until i am kicked off of here, if i am able to rate and i do not think a pic is perfect enough to rate a 5, i will not, and i should not give it a five in order, i say for the last time, to spare someones feelings. it seems like i am the badguy because i am very opinionated, i have always been like this and i will never change. isnt this partly what this site is about, isnt everything in some way, shape, or form judged on opinion???

02-05-2007, 06:56 AM	#36
Blowtorch Banned Offline --> Posts: 962 --> Join Date: Nov 2005	This topic has just gone beyond beating a dead horse. Has this become ebay where only your rating count? Once again how does anyone know the guy rated those pictures out of spite? I don't and isn't everyone entitled to there opinion? It's really sad when people would rather dwell on the bad rating of there pic. When the could just move on and post more. Not all my pics get 5 stars rating. In fact 42 out of 107 photo didn't get rated and 16 didn't even get replies does it bother me...NO! . It's been 6 days already the rating system issue was resolved by Hammerfel.(Thank you) Do you think we can all go back to playing nicely? or should we have a few more days to pout and cry because of a rating our picture got...let it go.

02-05-2007, 07:02 AM

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This topic has just gone beyond beating a dead horse. Has this become ebay where only your rating count?
Once again how does anyone know the guy rated those pictures out of spite? I don't and isn't everyone entitled to there opinion? It's really sad when people would rather dwell on the bad rating of there pic. When the could just move on and post more. Not all my pics get 5 stars rating. In fact 42 out of 107 photo didn't get rated and 16 didn't even get replies does it bother me...NO! . It's been 6 days already the rating system issue was resolved by Hammerfel.(Thank you) Do you think we can all go back to playing nicely? or should we have a few more days to pout and cry because of a rating our picture got...let it go.

thank you blowtorch. if i were a rapper i could sum up just how strongly i agree with you in four letters... WORD!!!
now i'm going over to gengeral joes and probably read some of his old dios,lol.

02-05-2007, 07:05 AM	#38
Fantom Veteran Offline --> Posts: 849 --> Join Date: Aug 2006	Wow, I am surprised to see this thread is still going...I admit that I like to read replies to pics that I post, but if someone has something negative to say or if my pic gets a bad rating...well, let's just say it doesn't keep me up at night. Again, this site is for fun. This site is to showcase your collections and creativity. This is not a contest and a bad rating shouldn't be bothering anyone this much. I have seen forums, online communities where there is lots of verbal abuse, people get into lame arguments and since no one is face to face people tend to not have any kind of inhibitions so it gets a bit out of hand. If a bad rating for a pic is the worse that this site's members has to offer, well I don't think we have that much to worry about. From what I've seen from this group, all the regulars are very polite and constructive members. You guys are fun, funny, and very cool to interact with. There is not a problem here so lets get on with life and get to posting awesome pics... __________________ You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he is expecting to wake up. Ironically, that's not far from the truth.

02-05-2007, 07:23 AM

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I don't know about Jock's stuff since only those three über-dark pictures seem to have been given low ratings (which frankly I can understand because even with my bright monitor I have problems making out the images), but in my case, I just hop along checking my files and realize every single one of my pictures, including a freakin' poster I got off the internet for the Files section, has had its rating go down by one or two points.
That pretty much means someone had decided to just go through all my pics and give them all ratings of one for no other reason than spite or pleasure of assclownness.

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02-05-2007, 09:00 AM

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This why this kind of post is active for so long. Boo hoo, Jay someone didn't like your photos. As for the poster who knows maybe it was a case of someone wanting to use it for a dio story and it didn't turn out, I don't know, and .....I know this maybe a big surprise neither do you. Let it go.

Can we have this post locked or deleted ? It's getting to the point that I don't want to comment or rate a photo because I might offend someone by telling it's too dark. It's pretty bad when today I wanted to rate a dark photo then leave some construtive pointers then decided not to because I though tit would offend them. After all this post has had a lot of comments over the past 6 days. I've come to the conclusion that if you don't like a photo then you're an assclown or a douchebag. Well then I guess I'm both. I've been doing this kind of thing for years since high scholl before I even had a computer so figure about 20 plus years. People either like my pics or hate them. I have a comic page I did for Marauder Inc. he said it was too dark, but my co workers who saw it thought it was awesome. Even my wife said it was too dark. Didn't hurt my feeling on bit I'm still going to use it in my comic and I had FUN doing it. Let me type this in caps maybe some of you will get the point.

WE'RE HERE TO POST OUR PICTURES AND HAVE FUN!!!!