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Old 12-29-2009, 05:12 AM #31
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This might be very unpopular here, seeing as this is what I would consider a very pro-America forum (mainly because of the brand in itself), but low-tech beating a superior force isn't really something new in real life. Vietnam and Afghanistan are two prime examples, and as I've understood it, this was sort of James Cameron way of pointing out what happens when military get privatized e.g. PMC companies ala Blackwater. Of course its a mix mash of dances with wolves as well - a tad Stockholm syndrome, but I think you guys can see my point.

No offense meant by pointing out Vietnam and Afghanistan, but they are basically what inspired Cameron.


Dont forget the Finns beating the Soviets during WWII... it can be done.
Altough the Polish vs. German in the same conflict ended up in a disaster for the Polish...

But anyway, like Sonneilon pointed out... using ones environment is a crucial factor when fighting battles like that... Vietnamise did it too (jungle) and Finns (cold winter).

Also what Sonneilon pointed out about fighting a war in your own soil. It kinda tends to motivate those whos homes are atacked to try harder now doesnt it.
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Old 12-29-2009, 12:44 PM #32
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There is no doubt the underdog wins alot, from David & Goliath to The Turtle & the Hare, It's a classic story that happens often in real life. That's all besides the point that this movie sucks! Between the flying fairies & dragons and Disney cartoon colors - I had to go home real quick and watch the last Rambo movie again on DVD to make sure my manhood was still intact!
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:01 PM #33
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There is no doubt the underdog wins alot, from David & Goliath to The Turtle & the Hare, It's a classic story that happens often in real life. That's all besides the point that this movie sucks! Between the flying fairies & dragons and Disney cartoon colors - I had to go home real quick and watch the last Rambo movie again on DVD to make sure my manhood was still intact!


It's to bad you didn't like it. The general population seems to be of a different opinion and at least 2 more are planned and coming.
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:10 PM #34
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I can't honestly see what a grown man would like about this film. Please explain to me the attraction. I really liked the military hardware, cool looking stuff...but they got their asses handed to them by the steroid-smurfs.
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:18 PM #35
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I can't honestly see what a grown man would like about this film. Please explain to me the attraction. I really liked the military hardware, cool looking stuff...but they got their asses handed to them by the steroid-smurfs.


Well maybe because you project the name smurfs onto the characters that makes them less real to you.
The story is quite solid, the action, pacing and acting is all great, you have guns, you have epic battles in air and land - what's not to like?

You probably don't like fantasy to much, but prefer sci-fi right? since this boarders on both you probably didn't like it.
The color pallet chosen for the characters and jungle seemed childish to you, so you can't associate with it as well as others.

It's more a story about Sully then anything else that people point out, maybe you're tired of "the chosen one" in movies - or maybe you got into the hype about it and thought you would see something new - which it really wasn't, but that doesn't make it any less well made and entertaining.
I could easily foresee everything that was happening - when they talked about the Makto I immediately realized (as everybody else I hope) that Sully would get one.

It really is just a core story that we have heard a bunch of times before, but its well written and executed, that's why people like it.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:07 PM #36
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Did I mention floating mountains!! One had a water fall coming out of it, where was the water coming from? Your right, that was well written. Epic Battles? Arrows hitting Gunships, at least the Ewoks used boulders and redwood trunks on the AT-STs. Who acted well? What was the deal with the USB hook up in their braids? Sully was a traitor, and he is the hero!
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Did I mention floating mountains!! One had a water fall coming out of it, where was the water coming from?

This is easily explained in sci-fi, ground moisture produced by the insides of the mountains, the gravity field extracting moisture out of the air - rain fall - take your pick.

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Epic Battles? Arrows hitting Gunships, at least the Ewoks used boulders and redwood trunks on the AT-STs.

You did notice some of the human avatars had machine guns, and a one human with a helicopter - not to mention that the "smurfs" were 9 feet tall with arrows that penetrated the canopy of the aircrafts.

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Who acted well?

I thought all of them was fairly good, believable in their roles both complete cgi roles and the more human ones. Sully of course, but Colonel Miles Quaritch was awesome! You loved to hate him from the get go.

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What was the deal with the USB hook up in their braids?

It was part of the story to get people to understand that they were literally connected to their planet/moon. Quite unique in a movie I would say, and so much easier for the script writers, but it also gives a unique perspective when using a mounted animal - they are literally one, which can be a huge asset in combat.

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Sully was a traitor, and he is the hero!

I don't know how much you caught of the movie plot, but Sully was a traitor to the PMC group mining on the planet yes - he was a hero of the people there and of justice. It's not much to betray if its built upon a false pretense "we are here to get the minerals, yes we want a peaceful negotiation with the locals, but if they don't see it our way we'll just kill 'em".
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:45 PM #38
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...the mineral, what was it called? Unobtainium! Give-me-a-frakking-break!
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...the mineral, what was it called? Unobtainium! Give-me-a-frakking-break!


probably a placeholder name they used and got used to. I've heard sillier things. Neo = One for instance.

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Old 12-29-2009, 06:10 PM #40
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I really did not like the movie. Reminded me far too much of ewoks. If the humans really wanted to get that ore, I'm sure I--and anyone here--could think of a way.

But one thing is true, Avatar figures do present some interesting dio fodder. All I need is to buy an ewok and take some pics of them plotting a counter revolutionary plans with the Na'vi. Maybe have the Joes as the bad guys, and Cobra their arms and training suppliers.
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