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Old 05-09-2008, 12:34 PM #341
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They're changing costumes, characters and histories. I don't see the point of calling this movie GI Joe. This is going to be the worst adaptation since Starship Troopers.


Hmmm, wierd enough I found Starship Troopers entertaining
Starship Troopers 2 however is a movie I'd like to forget completely...

I guess the re-make in 5-10 years (5 years, that will make it 30 anniversary) will be better

But I find it strange that people come off so negatively without having seen a single scene from the movie. Is the uniforms that important to you? To use an old saying "its not the suit that makes the man" (I think I'm paraphrasing here).

I still have optimism left for this flick, I just hope we get a teaser soon so we can actually base some of our fan-judgement on something other then stills.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:10 PM #342
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EDIT2: Oh, well, in vid 3,... that COULD be a HISS[/QUOTE]

I believe it's just a stunt vehicle designed for flipping cars but I could be wrong.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:29 PM #343
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But I find it strange that people come off so negatively without having seen a single scene from the movie. Is the uniforms that important to you? To use an old saying "its not the suit that makes the man" (I think I'm paraphrasing here).


Personally, other than their code names I haven't seen or read anything about the movie that is true to the source material. Like everybody else here, I've spent a lot of time in the Joe universe and I've waited a long time for a movie. Now to see it all systematically dismantled is depressing.

The same goes for Starship Troopers.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:27 PM #344
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I believe it's just a stunt vehicle designed for flipping cars but I could be wrong.


Now add a CGI HISS tank on this vehicle...


... and in minute 1:02 there's a high heeled dark-haired woman walking by and staring at that vehicle. Am I getting too paranoid?
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:52 PM #345
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Personally, other than their code names I haven't seen or read anything about the movie that is true to the source material. Like everybody else here, I've spent a lot of time in the Joe universe and I've waited a long time for a movie. Now to see it all systematically dismantled is depressing.

The same goes for Starship Troopers.



Only qualm I have with their code names is that they are calling Stalker for Ripcord (well Wayans looks more like Stalker then Ripcord if you ask me).

The story so far isn't that bad actually, its quite intelligent, if not completely correct to the source material - but even the source material is contradicting. From the Cartoons to the comics, there is always something that doesn't quite mesh, as well as the action figures and their filecards.

Just think of it as "their" joeverse, its definitely not the Cartoon, its not the comics, nor is it the action figures, but a new way of telling the story. I think I'm beginning to understand in my "older" days that directors don't want to recreated something that has been done before, but rather make something new and possibly unique.
Though we as die hard fans (because lets face it, that is what we are) won't always like the choices made by the directors and actors, because they could have done something different and closer to the source material.
What I am trying to say is, take it for what it is, not what it could be in your eyes. Because I'm willing to bet that there would be as many different versions as there are people on this forum

Wow I actually think that made sense

I for one am anticipating some cool ninjostic (tm fifthconspiracy) fights from Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow.
Very much like transformers - if there is one moment in there that gives me a nostalgic feeling and glee from my childhood, then it will be worth it. (To me in Transformers it was when Optimus Prime said "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings".

I know its easy to be negative about this, but how about discussing for once what we will enjoy if it reaches the silver screen? What we hope /wish to see?
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:54 PM #346
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Now add a CGI HISS tank on this vehicle...


... and in minute 1:02 there's a high heeled dark-haired woman walking by and staring at that vehicle. Am I getting too paranoid?


Hmmmm... Not sure its there, but I know what you are saying I hope we get to see Hiss tanks! (and the baroness firing wildly from one)
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:54 PM #347
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Just think of it as "their" joeverse, its definitely not the Cartoon, its not the comics, nor is it the action figures, but a new way of telling the story. I think I'm beginning to understand in my "older" days that directors don't want to recreated something that has been done before, but rather make something new and possibly unique.
Though we as die hard fans (because lets face it, that is what we are) won't always like the choices made by the directors and actors, because they could have done something different and closer to the source material.
What I am trying to say is, take it for what it is, not what it could be in your eyes. Because I'm willing to bet that there would be as many different versions as there are people on this forum

You're right. But that's the problem, if a director wants to do something new then they should do something NEW. Taking something like GI Joe and changing it isn't really being original. I'm not interested in their version, I like was originally created with the figures and then continued with the comics.

I love this site! I get to compete in the Special Olympics, I mean argue with people about GI Joe.
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I love this site! I get to compete in the Special Olympics, I mean argue with people about GI Joe.


Hahaha, we're not arguing (yet ), just having different opinions. And I totally see your side and understand it, but I also understand the need and feel for the movie to be different then what has been done before. I do however hope (as do the rest of us joefans) that they won't screw around with the story to much nor the "feel" of the joeverse - else we be forced to make a time machine and stop them, or put things right (alright its late and I'm tired, allow me my foibles darn you! )
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If the movie has a good story, that's the most important thing to me. I expect it to be its own separate storyline just like the cartoon and comic, and even some dio stories, are their own separate storylines.

I'm okay with different outfits for the characters. Most of the pictures I've seen for the characters have been pretty cool. It's probably been mentioned that Scarlet's orange and purple outfit (among other character's outfits) might look kind of silly in a live action movie.

If Ripcord ends up dying in the movie, I wonder how many people will still be upset he wasn't Stalker.
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Personally, I can understand making the story different from what's been told before, at least in terms of the main events (character histories I'd prefer to remain faithful to the source) but I wouldn't say it's important to make visual changes and make it "theirs." They won't be repeating what's been done before -- there's never been a live-action represtentation of GI Joe, unless you count those toy commercials from the '90s! I do think the things that are going a bit far are Destro being mind-controlled by the mask (which I'm assuming asn't going to be a family heirloom), and the apparent likelihood that Cobra Commander is going to be a GI Joe traitor since Joseph Gordon-Levitt has been billed as playing Cobra Commander (which I'm going to have trouble taking seriously considering his age) AND this new character, "Rex."

Things like Scarlett's leotard I can understand changing, but putting everyone in identical suits isn't the only alternative. We've been told other crazy stuff like power suits giving action sequences "like Flash comics come to life" so maybe the black suits we've seen are for that sort of thing and we might see SOMETHING to tie them to their classic appearances at other times? Duke is the one that mystifies me the most (moreso than Ripcord even) -- they got an actor who fits Duke's physical appearance, and they've given him a 12" original GI Joe-style scar on his cheek, plus he's got a stylishly-trimmed goatee in at least some of the photos.

I'm hopeful we get to see some recognisable vehicles, but based on earlier reports with vehicles being named that we've never heard of I get the feeling the filmmakers don't see the vehicles as necessary to the iconic side of GI Joe. In fact, it looks like they've taken the most basic aspects of the characters (like name and specialty, with some physical characteristics for a few of them), listened to the spoken part of the cartoon opening ("GI Joe is the codename...") and then just made the rest up themselves.

I'm hoping the movie will manage to be fun in itself, but as a live-action representation of GI Joe I get the feeling it's going to be awful.
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