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10-15-2007, 10:50 AM	#11
lehsreh G.I. Smurf Offline --> Posts: 3,446 --> Join Date: Jan 2006	personally i like the transformers, like being the word. imo they were never within a 100 miles of G.I. Joe. i would pick the cartoons i mentioned before above transformers. smurfs, thundercats, m.a.s.k, c.o.p.s, and now family guy and the boondocks. if we were ever lucky enough to get a new joe toon, i wish we could get the artist of the boondocks to do them.

10-15-2007, 11:04 AM

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The cartoon was a joke, plain and simple.

Wow. You people are really harsh.

I love the toon. I think it holds up.

Great voice acting, great characterization. Duke wouldn't be on a real team? What? He did his job and did it well. Shipwreck was lazy and flirted with the chicks, but that's part of his charm. He was also heroic and had layers. Watch Memories of Mara. He's really heartbroken over losing her. Then in No Place Like Springfield, he runs back to that house, even that all logic must tell him Mara and the kid are fakes. He really wanted them to be real. Poor guy, a lonely sailor. Fun stories!

I'm reading the Joe comic, up to the 60s. One thing I hate is... ninjas, ninjas, ninjas. Hard MAster, Blind Master, Soft Master, This Master, That Master. Storm Shadow, Snake Eyes, Billy, Scarlett, Jinx, and so on.

I still laugh thinking about Snake Eyes fighting a shark or Storm Shadow surviving the shot by Baroness. Just nonsense.

Guys like Outback are back at base feeling guility while these damn ninjas take up vauluble page space. Cobras Terrordrome plot was lame. The Cobra in the comic wanted to take over the world. These guys are selling security to fictional countries in the comic. It just seems insubstantial.

10-15-2007, 11:12 AM

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I'm reading the Joe comic, up to the 60s. One thing I hate is... ninjas, ninjas, ninjas. Hard MAster, Blind Master, Soft Master, This Master, That Master. Storm Shadow, Snake Eyes, Billy, Scarlett, Jinx, and so on.

I still laugh thinking about Snake Eyes fighting a shark or Storm Shadow surviving the shot by Baroness. Just nonsense.

yeah, thats when the comics died for me. it's not that i didnt like them from that point on, its that i loath them. talk about unrealistic and terrible plot!!! thats why i dont see why everyone wants a billy figure??? if they make one you know theyll make 100 of him, so i say i hope we never get one. i dont hate the new green power ranger, but i would be oh so happy if we never got another joe ninja, or never saw a ninja in the joe world except for storm shadow.

10-15-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Swindle

I'm reading the Joe comic, up to the 60s. One thing I hate is... ninjas, ninjas, ninjas. Hard MAster, Blind Master, Soft Master, This Master, That Master. Storm Shadow, Snake Eyes, Billy, Scarlett, Jinx, and so on.

I still laugh thinking about Snake Eyes fighting a shark or Storm Shadow surviving the shot by Baroness. Just nonsense.

The ninja thing ruined the comics. You really only need to read them up to the end of the Cobra Civil War, because after that they went downhill pretty quickly.

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10-15-2007, 12:32 PM

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Cobras Terrordrome plot was lame. The Cobra in the comic wanted to take over the world. These guys are selling security to fictional countries in the comic. It just seems insubstantial.

I thought the Terrordrome plot was very clever and liked how it played out over years of stories (the seeds are in issue 2!) -- Cobra goes to small, unassuming countries that nobody's really paying attention to, convinces them to buy a Terrordrome or six (or just sets up a "demonstration model"), then the 'drome sends out the low-frequency soundwaves that agitate the population, causing violence and unrest, so they can then provide MORE equipment and forces to "keep the peace." Cobra then has a legitimate power base in multiple locations around the world, with the respective national governments too preoccupied with civil instability to realise just how much power Cobra is getting...

Much better than "Swear loyalty to Cobra rule, otherwise I'll press a button and send all the world's farmlands to the Moon!"-type stuff, IMO.

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10-24-2007, 10:57 AM

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this is when i use to like snake eyes, i think him being third rate was a good thing. much better then the comic snakes

I'm with you on that one man.

The over ninja-fication of the comic is what really hurts the comic in my eyes.

The lowpoint of the cartoon Sunbow wise was the movie. Cobra-La, ousting Cobra Commander, Falcon as an ass-clown, etc.

With that said, I loved the toon and comic because they both bring different things to the table, but they both gave us some great G.I. Joe stories and characterizations IMHO.

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10-24-2007, 12:36 PM	#17
Uncle Flint Veteran Offline --> Posts: 168 --> Join Date: Mar 2006	Toons' vs Comic I think preference for comics verses cartoons has a lot to do with age. How old you were during the golden era of 1985. I was 8 years old in 1985. The cartoon was aimed at kids age 6 to 12 more or less and I fell right into that age group during the good years. I never saw any cartoons past the 1987 movie as a kid. They just weren't on where I lived. When the comic began in 1982 I was 5. Not many 5 year olds buying comic books. the comic books obviously target a different age group. Probably 10-16 more or less. By the time I was 10 in 1987 the franchise had already started to tank. I'm guessing guys a few years older than me (Outrider, Ender) were probably beyond the target age group of the cartoon when is began. I've read the comic as an adult and enjoyed it, but I find the Snake Eyes/Ninja/Scarlett storylines so tiresome. Guys who discover GI Joe past the 1985-1986 heyday of the cartoon probably came in a an older age and prefer the comics. What do you guys think? What age were you guys back in the golden years? The funny think to me is that obviously both the cartoon and the comic were invented to sell toys. The age of kids buying toys I think is pretty similar to the target group of the cartoon. I don't remember any kids beyond 10 or 11 years old buying the toys. But the comic target age had to go well beyond that.

10-24-2007, 01:19 PM	#18
Sonneilon aka 'Paul WS Anderson' ;) Offline --> Posts: 7,751 --> Join Date: Jul 2005	I was 8 when I got my first Joes and the 1st oversized comic book. I enjoyed both but found by 1985/1986 that I was enjoying the comic more. The movie was ok. Didn't have any thoughts on Cobra LA other than, "That's nice". Now, when DiC came into effect, that's when I started losing interest. That would be about the same time the Cobra War was over and I was losing interest in the comic, wanting something more interesting. I didn't mind anything that happened in the comic. I wasn't around to deal with the ninja action stuff. I think the last figure I had at that time was the Sky Patrol Airborne so I was pretty much out of Joe. Until 2002.

10-24-2007, 01:56 PM

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I think preference for comics verses cartoons has a lot to do with age. How old you were during the golden era of 1985. I was 8 years old in 1985. The cartoon was aimed at kids age 6 to 12 more or less and I fell right into that age group during the good years.

i have to agree that this is what makes the difference between those who like the cartoon and those who prefer the comic. i like both, but i was to young to probably be able to read the comics so i went with the cartoon. it was first and foremost the influence in my joe verse. i can see how those who were like 14 wouldnt be as much into the cartoon, and they had probably already read the comic, so age would probably be the main factor.

10-25-2007, 09:40 AM	#20
Lava Boss Veteran Offline --> Posts: 3,378 --> Join Date: Apr 2006	The thing about goofballs and screw-ups on the Joe team in the cartoon...if everyone were a 100% competent, serious professional the show would be boring, the characters mostly flat. (And the show wasn't about the real armed forces anymore than C.O.P.S. was about actual law enforcement.) Same with Cobra. People sometimes diss the Dreadnoks. They aren't Cobra's ideal, they are Zartan's entourage...Cobra wants Zartan's services, and he and the Dreads are a package deal. Even the cartoon writer's guide says if Cobra took over, the Dreadnoks would the type of people Cobra would line up against a wall and have shot. The comic made less sense that the Dreadnoks were kept around when Zartan abandoned Cobra, part of that was Zarana's pull...but her level of competence was spotty. In the comics, once GI JOE knew the Terrordrome secret, that Cobra plot was foiled (or logically should've been). After that they seemed to push arm sales...Cobra Commander was just a more psychotic Destro. He came back from the dead and there was a sense, oh, now he's really gonna take on the world. But his brainwashing of Millville was just to have more factory workers to make weapons. Destro meanwhile had given up evil. Things just didn't work. Especially Firefly acting like a Cobra Commander wannabe. The series really ended with the Snake-Eyes trilogy. Think about it. Original Cobra Commander was still "dead". Destro and the Baroness turned over a new leaf. Zartan had or was on the cusp of doing so. Cobra's most powerful players were out of the game. The next fifty or so issues were Cobra commander acting like a twit and Snake-Eyes just NOT killing him (even though it was clearly within his power a few times), Transformers, a castle that changes shape and hands every few issues.