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01-19-2008, 01:57 PM

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The problem with Hasbro making new figures that use the ARAH style, or even the ARAH molds, is that... well... the ARAH figures look dumpy. They do! I dig them, I own many, I keep buying them, but really guys -- come on. Look at the ARAH figs and compare them to VvV figs, to Microman figs, or even to Star Wars figs. The ARAH figs looks dumpy! Their shoulders aren't broad, their heads are big, their arms are lumpy... their look simply is not up to the standards of modern toy aesthetics. They just don't look "cool".

I repeat: I like ARAH figures. They're not my fav (that would be 2nd Gen figs like VvV), but I do like them. However, part of their charm for me IS their frumpiness. I don't think Hasbro would feel comfortable with making more frumpy action heroes.

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OK, now I'm really gonna catch hell... (winces)

Nah, you're not gonna catch hell. You're right. The new line is superior in a number of respects, what irks me is they don't match even in SIZE with my old figures. I've collected since 1982, and it'a like Hasbro is saying, "Thanks for the Loyalty, now throw everything out and start again!"

I just got used to those old dumpy looking figures, now If I do a Dio, and I put figures from the two lines together, WTF? Destro just got drafted for the NBA? There are a few I couldn't live without, like Pimp Daddy and the New Mold Serpentor...and I wanna see how this 25th Bat will look! If he towers over figures, it's ok! He's NOT HUMAN...but having a 6"3' Tunnel rat is just WRONG! If I wanna keep the figures in scale, I have to buy a COMPLETELY new collection, and I'm not gonna do that after years of supporting GI Joe!

01-19-2008, 02:38 PM

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Craig, don't you only have the 1st 2 5-packs? Those are pretty bad examples when compared to the stuff that's been coming out recently. I can't even tell toy collectors (be it joe fans or just toy fans) to look for those 5-packs. Even the 1st wave is so-so. But once you get to the Beach Head and the Zartan waves, they are pretty darn good. By now, you've probably seen the Wild Bill figure coming out. That's a great looking figure right there.

SO TRUE SO TRUE. I HAVE NOTICED A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT FROM THE FIRST 5 PACKS TO THE NEWER ONES COMING OUT NOW. AND OUTRIDER, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DONT CARE SO MUCH FOR THEM, IF YOU HAVE THEM ALL WHY GET THEM. BUT FOR ME I NEVER HAD A HUGE COLLECTION AS A KID, DONT REALLY HAVE ONE NOW, I JUST WANT SOME OF THE ONES I NEVER HAD. THATS WHY IM WAITING FOR BLUDD.

01-21-2008, 03:49 AM

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I know they have made some improvements to the figures, G, but I'm just not a fan of the new construction, "cartoonish" styling or larger size. I already have all of the characters anyway, and I refuse to start my collection all over again just because Hasbro decided on a new scale. I have seen the pics of the new stuff, and I'm not impressed; there's nothing there to change my mind.

I'd write something in this thread but you already wrote what I'd like to say!

In my opinion, the 25th line is something like Sgt Savage or Sigma 6, I'll not start another joe collection that can be dead as soon as the sales decreases or a new style arrives.

I'm not telling that Hasbro is doing something wrong or not but it doesn't work for me.

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01-21-2008, 10:34 AM	#94
Rambo ARAH for O-ringers Offline --> Posts: 6,074 --> Join Date: Dec 2007	Was it to difficult to make new 3.75 ARAH style figures? I don't think so. __________________ HEROES DON'T DIE, THEY JUST RELOAD

01-21-2008, 11:27 AM	#95
Sonneilon aka 'Paul WS Anderson' ;) Offline --> Posts: 7,751 --> Join Date: Jul 2005	I still think that the upgrade in size is to differentiate between GI Joe from two other toylines out there; Star Wars and BBI. And there are apparently Marvel and Wrestling figure that will also go 1/18. So to make GI Joe different, up the size. And the sculptors are notorious for saying that the bigger the figure, the more detailing they can do. I personally don't mind the larger scale. I prefer it only in that I don't mix the different eras. But uh, yeah, where were we???

01-21-2008, 05:54 PM

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I still think that the upgrade in size is to differentiate between GI Joe from two other toylines out there; Star Wars and BBI. And there are apparently Marvel and Wrestling figure that will also go 1/18. So to make GI Joe different, up the size. And the sculptors are notorious for saying that the bigger the figure, the more detailing they can do.

I personally don't mind the larger scale. I prefer it only in that I don't mix the different eras. But uh, yeah, where were we???

But that's what sucks...if you mess with the size, you take away any chance to use other figures as extras....Is GI Joe gonna make cops, Construction guys or Paramedics? If not, they better keep them the same size as "The Corps". I mean if all action figures were the same size, you could have tons of fun making new customs....but this "someone else is making 3 3/4", so we'll go 4.1" is nuts! Hell, just go back to 12"! That's what GI Joe Started as!

As for detailing, BBI has done wonders with detail on their 3 3/4" figures...better than any of the Arah characters....admit it, Hasbro just needs a new cash cow!

And have you seen Wave 7? Snake eyes V4???? Already! And Duke from the Cartoon? We bringing back Cobra La? How cheesey! BTW, how many dukes is that so far? I count 3 Cobra commanders, 4 Snake eyes, and 3 dukes.....Anyone seen Grunt? just curious! Guess I have to wait until DTC wave 4 from MC comes out...or the next Con to get figures....

01-21-2008, 08:43 PM	#97
Sonneilon aka 'Paul WS Anderson' ;) Offline --> Posts: 7,751 --> Join Date: Jul 2005	The Hasbro guys aren't thinking about how GI Joe fits into other toylines. They could care less. Check this thread out to give you some hints at things... http://joebattlelines.com/phpBB3/vi...&st=0&sk=t&sd=a BTW, the Snake Eyes in question isn't a straigt up repaint. It's another version that comes with butterfly knives. Hasbro's SEv4 is different than yojoe's definition of SEv4, I believe. I never said Hasbro wasn't trying to make GI Joe a cash cow. I can totally understand the change of scale. But I've come to the conclusion that GI JOe is NOT hard military. It may have started closer to that but now... GI Joe is a monster. It's not like you'd ever see BBI do a VvV sort of thang! Last edited by Sonneilon : 01-21-2008 at 08:52 PM.

01-21-2008, 09:09 PM

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But I've come to the conclusion that GI JOe is NOT hard military. It may have started closer to that but now... GI Joe is a monster. It's not like you'd ever see BBI do a VvV sort of thang!

Maybe (probably) I'm old fashioned, but I like my Joes "hard military", the more realistic, the better. No mystical ninjas, no venom serum, no mechs, no shape shifters etc, etc. Stuff like 21st Century Toys 1/18 military line looks awesome, it's just a pity they are so fragile. If some toy company ever comes up with a sturdily-built, realistic modern military line, they'll get my cash. That's one of the reasons I dislike the 25th stuff, the sculpts are just too cartoonish.

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01-21-2008, 09:25 PM

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The Hasbro guys aren't thinking about how GI Joe fits into other toylines. They could care less. Check this thread out to give you some hints at things...

http://joebattlelines.com/phpBB3/vi...&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

BTW, the Snake Eyes in question isn't a straigt up repaint. It's another version that comes with butterfly knives. Hasbro's SEv4 is different than yojoe's definition of SEv4, I believe.

I never said Hasbro wasn't trying to make GI Joe a cash cow. I can totally understand the change of scale. But I've come to the conclusion that GI JOe is NOT hard military. It may have started closer to that but now... GI Joe is a monster. It's not like you'd ever see BBI do a VvV sort of thang!

Oi! Looks like I need to start a BBIDIos website......
Man, it sucks that big business makes these decisions....what right do boardroom stiff have to decide what characters get offered? Sounds to me like WalMart and Target want to run GI Joe into the $hitter so The Corps and Forces Of Valor don't have any competition......

What was funny was when Star Wars came out in 1977, if you missed the first wave of figures, you missed Darth Vader....and a lot of people were upset about that....now,it's just the opposite...WHAT??? Neon Pink, McQuarrie Alternate Universe Darth Vader? God, don't we have enough! I mean every so often, I remember Kenner putting out Wave 1 Charatcers again, but they were pretty good about not flooding the Market with 5,000 versions of the same Character until "The Power of The Force " collections came out.....

It's getting silly.....GI Joe is gonna die soon unless Hasbro decides to get some Gajones and TELL companies what they will produce. In the old days, didn't manufacturers go to the company with..."this is what we got...you want some to stock your shelves?" Now it's like...."Hey, Walmart....what can we make for your board members that they will approve for sale"? WTF? When did retailers get to tell manufacturers what to produce?

Gee....hmmmm, I'm gonna take Duke, Snake eyes, Gung ho and Duke...and Snake eyes and Snow job to attack the Cobra Base and I'll have Duke and Duke and Stalker (how did he get in there???) around back to link up with Scarlett and Snake eyes and Snake eyes and Duke....and they will take out Cobra Commander and Destro and Destro and Storm Shadow and Storm Shadow and the ONE CG I was able to find that had the Doc sticker taken off at Target....While Zartan and Buzzer and Storm Shadow and Cobra Commander and Cobra Commander and Cobra Commander and Destro and destro hold the front.....Thank God I got one Air Trooper single pack for Cobra Air Support. I'll have him cover Storm Shadow, Cobra Commander and OH HELL, WHAT's THE USE?!?!?!

I might as well buy Star Wars! :P

01-21-2008, 11:28 PM	#100
Sonneilon aka 'Paul WS Anderson' ;) Offline --> Posts: 7,751 --> Join Date: Jul 2005	dawg, it's been this way for YEARS. C'mon, you've HAD to read the history reports on the JBL. Hasbro did things their way for awhile. But stores realized what sells are the characters people can recognize. I understand that's not fair to the fans, but Hasbro wants casual collectors to suck in. So that's how CORE is created. Frank, you gotta know about the BIG 3. They call the shots. Whether we like or not, it don't matter. Like Hasbro, these corporations are out to make money. That is why we see Duke, SE and CC so much. It's my belief that there are different tiers of characters. Like Destro, Stormy and Baroness (who knows who else) are tier2. I'm sure heavyDuty/Roadblock, Firefly, etc are Tier3. And if you EVER notice the SW line, the same old characters show up. Just as Marvel has Core, Batman has core, He-Man has core, etc. But uh yeah... The fact is, who KNOWS when we might get new characters or when GI Joe will move forward. Let's face it, when the movie toys come out, don't expect anything new. I expect the usual CORE with MAYBE new outfits.