I did vote yes. But I don't that it's because I'm afraid of change, I like change, so long as the change is like good. And though the 25th stuff is neat and there's some guys who have decent hand articulation, like Scarlett for example, moving at the waist makes sense. The O-ring made waist movent feel realistic (despite being able to turn 360 degrees), and I loved the JVC, VVV and DTC figures.

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I'm sorry. i'm voting o-ring. fact is, if Hasbro did swivle waists along with the pivot chest, i'd be cool. But hasbro can't think like Takara so...

i voted yes as i dont like the new style

bring back the o ring please

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You voted no against bringing back the o-ring.. yet here you state you'd want to see a better form of articulation in the waist..

I wonder how much it costs hasbro to produce the new figures, you know.. now that the o-ring and screws aren't used for the build up.. I wonder what the productions costs run between the O-ring and the 25th Anniversary?

So now that I thought that out and threw it out there for people to mull and chew on. I'd say that Hasbro has almost got it.. so I don't think they should bring back the O-ring. You can actually have Articulated Figures without O-ring, and ones that move just as good as the 25ths and O-ring combined.

Just look at the movement you can do with a series 5-6 Marvel Legend from Toybiz back in the day, they can move. If they could bring in the extra articulation into the torso there and cut out the man flab/boobs we'd be rockin..
Course hasbro doing this is another thing.. they'll yammer on about extra articulation means the figures become loose over time.. when what they really mean is.. "Extra articulation.. oh good heavens.. that means the shareholders won't have that extra dollar, we can't do that"

NOTE TO HASBRO: Don't bring back the O-ring, you've made your bed..now lie in it you greedy, selfish demons!!!

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I didn't vote yet. I like both styles of figures. They fixed the 25th so they can sit down now, a big improvement over the first wave, and O rings don't have to be replaced on these guys. I have an O Ring Python Trooper whose O ring broke, and on top of that, the screw in his back is stripped so I can't replace it, so he is permanently broken in half.

I haven't used the 25th figures in any pictures yet, so I don't know how they are to work with in that regard, but my old figures work just fine (except for the Viper Pit figures.)

I can't write nothing better to express what I feel .....

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Alright.
It's been mentioned that we could go on and on, as long as we don't flame each other we are cool though
Ok, just to point a few things out,
Haradrel commented:
"They have more posability then original figures mainly because of more movable parts.
They are more true to real scale 1:18 even with the varying headsizes.
The rest is probably opinions and you are right about that."

Now, as far as the 25th Anniversary is concerned, yes they have more articulation, but just because they have more moveable parts it doesn't necessarily make them better or necessarily more articulated.
That probably doesn't make alot of sense to you reading it, so I'm going to do my level best at explaining.
before I do this, please see my review on the 25th Storm Shadow. I don't hate the 25th, I just don't like all the decisions hasbro has made.
http://www.joedios.com/dioramas/sho...php?i=13559&c=9
Back to my explanation on the moveable parts issue, we'll take a simple 1985 RAH Flint. His torso piece is one piece and not moveable (I.e has no articulation as such on the plastic).
Now look at a 25th Figure. It has articulation midway up the torso, however I should point out the following.
1. Cosmetically i don't think it looks right at all, most of the figures that don't have covering armor look like the bodies need pushing up into the ribcage.
2. Does it really benefit you that much when taking pictures, lots of people have coped fine with the Oring style torso and it still offers lots of detail without the man boobs problem.

Here is an example where by putting in a change hasn't really had a great effect. You could counter balance this argument with what has been mentioned about the double jointed knees couldnt you
The double jointed knees were a great addition to GIJOE figures.

As for the size issue, this will always be a great debate amongst fans, some want the figures to be all together in scale, as in the RAH mold.. where as other fans want 25th style designs because they appear to be more realistic in design to the body sculpt, for example Destro & Gung-Ho should be taller than Baroness and Scarlett.
This particular argument, i dont think there is truely a right and wrong, because it comes down to preference on the fan, hasbro would have to release two different styles of series per wave.. and i don't think hasbro would do it.

Now back to my point about changes made to 25th figures.. whereby they have included these changes with more articulation and movement in mind,
two points spring to mind from my review here..
The solid nub ontop of the torso (for example no balljoint neck) is a bad move, sure you can pop the head off, but on the 25th Stormshadow I reviewed, he can't look up.. as in to look up at a sentry on guard..
secondly is the sitting down problem.. sure they have double jointed knees.. but theres too much plastic action going on with the torso.. so they have trouble sitting.

Now.. list those back.. we have the problem with the torso ..
the problem with the waist/legs movement and the fact they can't sit.. and the head/balljoint neck issue.
Those are my 3 honest constructive criticisms of hasbro's changes, based on my review of the 25th.. 3 changes that haven't really helped the line at all.. not in any way shape or form..
having said that i've mentioned points in my review that also favour the 25th, lets all be honest.. if hasbro went back to the Oring style construction.. and released all the 25th anniversary figures into RAH sculpt.. would their be any takers..
and if so, how would this reflect on hasbro's business strategy for the future..
"everytime we make a change to the line, it has to be approved by fans.. " Yes.. well no I don't believe it does..
No one single toy line stays still.. if it does.. it perishes.. and dies an old slow death.. Toys have to change it's part of evolving and life.. hasbro aren't forcing you to buy the 25th range of toys.. so if you don't like them, don't buy them.

One final point on the "Oring is gijoe statement" I think it's true in the sense that they grew up with those style of gi Joes.. and that's as far as it goes.. it doesn't matter if you choose to ignore the 25th anniversary, cobra la, sigma 6 and even the feared extreme line or eco warriors.. it's all a brand of GIJOE.. weather or not you choose to admit it.. when we're all dead and gone it will be written in hasbro history archives they had these toys..
Much in the same way the 25th are now a part of GIJOE... deal with it don't deal with it.. your choice .. but saying Oring is gijoe is like an 12" gijoe fan saying 3 3/4 figures aren't gi joe.. all of it is GIJOE.. just because you don't see something .. it doesn't mean to say it doesn't exist.

Props to everyone so far for their cultured and knowledgable debate.. Good Stuff

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