I was reading thru the JBL reviews on the 25th figures (ok, skimming) and had a D'OH moment. I didn't relize that the 25th figures didn't turn at the waist!!! I mean, I just ASSumed that they did and I couldn't see it. But man! No turn at the waist? That's JACKED! How'd I miss that one? No wonder you guys hate 'em so!!!

I knew the o-ring was gone and sure, that's fine. But I expected a SW type of swivel in the waist. Would it have been that hard for Hasbro to do a male/female plug?

Go ahead, bash away on the 25th figures. Again.

lol all i want from the 25th anni figures is gungho noone else

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see that's why i wasn't so crazy about them ,

I really like them,but there is certainly room for improvement.I've heard that Hasbro is aiming for improvements to Wave 2 and the others to follow.

They have some good points, but too many problems to be considered an improvement over "old" Joes. I hope Hasbro read up on the internet, listen to fan's gripes, and make improvements accordingly. As it stands now I won't be wasting any more money on figures of the current standard.

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Man I never knew , of course it would help if they actually had them in the stores around here so I could see them in person!!! Thanks for the info Sonneilon!!!