With so many of us (Outrider and I) on here NOT impressed with the 25th in Particular and Hasbro in General, and everyone tired of us taking the opportunity to bash them on EVERY THREAD, EVERY Chance we get, I figured I'd post this thread where we could pull posts from other threads over and bash the uber-megaconglomerate that is Hasbro and it's evil Cohorts...Walmart and Toys R Us, this way the other threads aren't clogged with our rantings!

So, to start, CaptMax stated this over in the questions to hasbro thread;

***SMIRK****

I'm assuming the above was a joke, but if not, here's my counterpoints;

The problem is, they would make oodles more $$$ if they would listen to what fans want and quit coming up with this crappy off the wall stuff!

The reason they bring it back is because we keep buying it....no matter HOW Crappy it is! If you can produce crap and make a profit...wouldn't you? We need to hold these clowns to a higher standard and stop buying whatever crap they decide to mold and slap the GI Joe Logo on!

The collectors club "reasonably Priced"? Even with my membership, it costs $20.00 for a crappy new sculpt figure! And Con sets, you need a co-signer for! The only reason I like the club is they are gonna keep producing ARAH and Nu-Sculpt figures and not those delicate little 25th things!

Yes, they allow us to ask questions , to which they never answer and if they do answer, it's some double talk, like "It's in the works", "we're working on that" or "That's something we're considering". In 2002 when I got back into collecting, it took me about a week to figure out by looking on forums and Ebay, what would sell and what wouldn't......

And another Storm Shadow, Snake Eyes, Duke and Cobra Commander isn't gonna cut it!

HAHAHAHA Thats funny ender, good one

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Thank you! I knew there had to be a reasonable way to settle this.

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My main problem with 25th figures: the scale. Just when the new-sculpt figures were consistently coming out at a size that looked fine alongside ARAH, they scrap the line and relaunch it at a 4.1" (or whatever it is) standard.

My secondary problem, which stops me wanting to overcome the first one like I did with some of the giant new-sculpt guys: the mid-torso joint. Okay -- I get it, that real humans swivel in the torso rather than purely at the waist, but from an aesthetic point of view I think they're hideous. Everyone has man-boobs (the only exceptions I've seen being the women, Serpentor and Zartan -- apparently body armor saves them), seams/zippers/straps across the torsos are broken when this joint is turned, and most infuriatingly of all, none of them look like the 2 sections have been pushed together enough. They all have a figure-8 kind of thing going on, where both sections curve inwards where they meet, and anyone who does have a strap (Storm Shadow, for instance) continuing from one section to the next suffers from a lack of continuity -- there's a point on the lower section where the paint & sculpting ends leaving a bare area even when the figure's standing up straight. It looks like the ribcage part should be down more, overlapping the top of the abdomen section more completely, but every picture I've seen has this gap. The new Flash figure, previewed on yojoe.com, has the classic red body armor over his torso but there's a thin green band around his midsection!

I can't really blame Hasbro for not releasing 25th figures outside the US, as new-sculpt stuff had extremely limited releases and seemed to hang around & end up on clearance, so I realize it's a lack of market interest (although since they're treating 25th as basically a new line, maybe they could give it a try over here and call it Action Force again or something...) but the look of the figures puts me off even caring if potential customers or Hasbro develop any interest in having them on our shelves.

And all this is without even going into the reports I've read from long-standing Joe-fans AND people who were drawn to the 25th through nostalgic curiosity, describing the inability for the figures to sit, difficulty/impossibility getting some other joints to pose/move as desired, loose limbs straight out of the package, parts breaking with minimal effort, inability to hold accessories...

I wonder if the unavailability of the figures was planned by Hasbro, as I'm sure a certain level of people's excitement about the line, and their willingness to pay the prices they're charged, has come from their scarcity and the toy-hunt fever (that I'm all-too familiar with) which has built in people trying to track them down...? Like, if they were everywhere and there was no trouble finding every character, would fans be more discerning when looking at the quality of the figures, rather than buying one automatically because it was the only one they'd seen after a few weeks of searching...?

OK, I think I'm done. Nice thread -- it probably is good to have this place to vent, rather than having it spill out and stirring up negativity in threads where 25th lovers & haters might be trying to discuss the same topic...!

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My main problem is the new body style. Why go and change it ? The mid torso joint is hideous . At least with the old rah style everyone was in proportion with each other . I also think that it is bs that they can't make old style six packs like the TRU ones. Now the only way to get old style stuff is to pay master collector's outrageous prices for their exclusives . While their figures rock,the prices are way too much imo.

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Thanks Frank, we gotta stick together on this one! Oh man, where do I start? I believe everyone knows my thoughts on the 25th stuff by now, so I probably don't need to go into every detail again. I did give them a fair chance (bought both of the first Joe and Cobra five packs), and sadly they only confirmed my suspicions. I was very disappointed, not only with the new body type (chest join, head...urgh!) and fragility of the rotten things, but the cartoonish styling really blew it for me, a confirmed realism lover. I could go on, but you know the story.
Frank hit the nail right on the head...if we refuse to buy the cr@p Hasbro pump out, they'll stop pumping out cr@p. Hence my refusal to buy any subsequent figures until they revert to something akin to the quality of the "old" days (dream on!).

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My beef is the arms also. I wish they could bend at the elbow just a bit further so they can hold a rifle 2-handed, easily. Or well. Or at all, period.

I don't mind the lack of waist joint but it seems pretty lame that they DIDN'T ball joint it. Or just left the o-ring construction. Maybe it's easier to do larger scale figures or they are trying to move away from other 3.75" figures. ie; SW and BBI. Either way, I don't really mix the eras anyway so the larger size is no biggie.

I'm not really bashing 'em. I just consider it a different era just as GI Joe Extreme was a different era.

What is this added Articulation I keep hearing about? Are we back to "O" Rings yet? (PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE!!!)