It's interesting to hear about the Flickr side of things. The first time I experienced cliques was when reading "like i posted on flickr" comments, which I wondered why folks were plugging another picture site. I thought "this is JoeDios! They should be posting Joe stuff in a site about Joe stuff." Nothing about o-rings or whatnot entered my mind. It's a sad tale in the history of Joe sites, I guess.

Concerning MSN, for me using MSN as chat tool was just it. I'm not a very old member of JD, and I certainly don't consider myself an elite. My history on the Net includes sites that offer live chat. Since 1992 I have been active on a MUD, and you can't get more live than that. Thus my handle, Death at Midnight. So using MSN for chat was just natural. Posting comments and waiting for feedback for me is more alien.

The whole concept of cliques doesn't seem accurate, though. It seems members who are older than I here are also at the position that cliques in JD has taken them by surprise too.

Anyway, I agree with Hammerfel.. take pics and be part of the JoeDios team.

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