Some people doubt Dr. Venom and Mangler, but Hard Master is rumoured and they believed that.

Really, rumour source snobbery thing going on. Last year some one listed what amounted to waves 1 and 2 of the 25th single packs and got shot down because "there's no way they'd make Buzzer and Serpentor before Duke and Cobra Commander." That was before we knew the first 10 figures were in five packs.

Also, Hardball seems odd, but since Hasbro's been reusing parts galore, Hardball would be maybe a new head and maybe new arms. I find it much stranger they've made 1987 Cobra Commander, all new molds, as well as making 1988 Destro so soon. And they made a new head for Red Ninja before making new heads and releasing recognizable 1982 Joes.

Not matter what, any rumor list is just that.