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lehsreh 06-05-2008 08:46 AM

cartoon movie.
 
the poll about the o-ring went exactly as i expected it to go. now im wondering what everyone thought about the cartoon movie. good idea or bad idea? vote and discuss.

Self-Modifier 06-05-2008 09:28 AM

I think we need a "middle ground" option. I didn't hate it, but I certainly didn't love it either. I liked aspects of it. Most notably, it was arguably Duke's biggest role in the whole show next to the original mini-series. Of course, the reason was that he was going to die, so they wanted to build him up first... But he managed to dodge that bullet (or snake, as it were) in the end... So he single-handedly trounces Serpentor, and (thanks to some quick re-writes) lives to tell the tale!

Also, I like the concept of Cobra-La, but I hated that Cobra Commander was one of them. They should have been their own faction, with no ties to Cobra. I was also disappointed with nearly all the Cobras except Serpentor and the Commander being relegated to background characters. On the other hand, nearly every Joe from '84 to '86 (and a few from '83 and '87) had at least one line and/or something to do in the movie, so that was nice.

And of course, the opening movie with the attack on the Statue of Liberty was pretty much the best animated G.I. Joe sequence ever... And it allowed Duke to reclaim the opening "Yo Joe!" from Flint, who, following the first two mini-series, had usurped it (along with Duke's voice) for the seasons 1 and 2 openings.

Agent Viper 06-05-2008 09:38 AM

After searchingf long enough, i was able to watch it.

It was beautiful. I loved it like the original Transfomers movie ( watching it for the 18th time right now ) ohh, Starscream's Death.

lehsreh 06-05-2008 11:03 AM

i loved it myself. i thought the animations was top notch and the story was great. only 3 things i would change, but im ok with them anyway.

1, as many think cobra la should not have had ties with cobra commander.

2, although most like him, i hated falcon and thought he should just have a filler role.

3, duke should have died as was planned. i hated optimus up until he got killed in the movie, then i found new respect for him, of course that cold have been because we got rodimus as a leader who sucked bigger then any leader ever. if duke had died like optimus, i may like him today, instead he is still one of the worst joe creations ever, imo.

Agent Viper 06-05-2008 11:18 AM

The only reason they didn't kill Duke was this-

In the special features of the old Transformers Anniversary Edition the creators were talking about the uproar Optimus made when he died, and thats why they rewrote the script to the gijoe movie for no uproars

Sonneilon 06-05-2008 12:47 PM

At that age, I was cool with the movie. Cobra Commander came from a special race of people??? WOW! But at the same time, I had the comic book which didn't cater to that at all and that was cool. I was able to separate the two canons.

haradrel 06-05-2008 12:56 PM

I didn't grow up with the series only the comic books so this wasn't really for me.
The only "real" gijoe is in the comic books and on the file cards for me - The cartoons are just a alternate comedic universe that never happened (much like highlander 2 and Beverly hills cop 3 :p).

I have however watched a lot of the episodes from the sunbow series as well as the movie and the other longer episodes.

I saw no reason for Duke and Scarlett - Scarlett and Snake Eyes makes so much more sense, but I guess the cartoon didn't make much sense either way (rhyming roadblock comes to mind). Not my cup of tea but something a lot of you grew up with and accept as the original joeverse.

A few funny scenes in between (both in the movie and series) but again not my cup of tea. For those of you who hasn't seen neither the movie nor the series, there are episodes out on youtube (or you can buy it off amazon or equivalent).

lehsreh 06-05-2008 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by haradrel
I saw no reason for Duke and Scarlett - Scarlett and Snake Eyes makes so much more sense, but I guess the cartoon didn't make much sense either way (rhyming roadblock comes to mind). Not my cup of tea but something a lot of you grew up with and accept as the original joeverse.



see, this is what i dont understand. how everyone sees it more likely to have scarlett with snake eyes then with duke? i think this beauty and the beast romance is more far fetched then cobra la. especially with him leaving her on the wedding day every week. i loved the roadblock rhyme thing, as i did the twins finishing sentences.

i think its what you got first. i got the cartoons, and hadnt read a comic until about 3 years ago and found the first so many rich in story, but lacking big time in characteristics. everyone in the cartoons had a different attitude, whereas the comic everyone was all alike, except a few like clutch. its like duke, flint, zap or stalker could be the same person.

haradrel 06-05-2008 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lehsreh


see, this is what i dont understand. how everyone sees it more likely to have scarlett with snake eyes then with duke?


Because of their background in martial arts (common interests) as well as their background given in the comics which is well thought out. Why would Duke and Scarlett hook up? That really makes no sense - just because he is the main protagonist from the joe side? That's silly.

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Originally Posted by lehsreh

i loved the roadblock rhyme thing, as i did the twins finishing sentences.


It might have been funny at the time, but now its kind of stereotypical, if you threw the same thing into a cartoon today then it would be stamped racist (well that's what I think at least).

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Originally Posted by lehsreh

i think its what you got first. i got the cartoons, and hadnt read a comic until about 3 years ago and found the first so many rich in story, but lacking big time in characteristics. everyone in the cartoons had a different attitude, whereas the comic everyone was all alike, except a few like clutch. its like duke, flint, zap or stalker could be the same person.


Heh funny, I think its the other way around - all of the characters in the cartoons seem to have the same lame puns and humor. I can't really tell them apart except from their uniforms. In the comics I got a sense of personality.
But yeah seems like what people grew up with first is what is closest to their hearts. And its all gijoe so its all good in the end ;)

lehsreh 06-05-2008 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by haradrel
Because of their background in martial arts (common interests) as well as their background given in the comics which is well thought out. Why would Duke and Scarlett hook up? That really makes no sense - just because he is the main protagonist from the joe side? That's silly.


duke, as well as many other joes have backgrounds in martial arts. also i see he and scarlett actually getting more time alone then she would with snake eyes. and as i said, he leaves her at the alter once a week, any girls no alter what they self esteem is will leave the guy in time. i would put her with anyone but snake eyes. have you noticed that snake eyes always has to have either storm shadow or scarlett with him. so they can tell the reader what he is thinking, i dont like that part of him either.

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Originally Posted by haradrel
It might have been funny at the time, but now its kind of stereotypical, if you threw the same thing into a cartoon today then it would be stamped racist (well that's what I think at least).


??? i dont see how a black guy rhyming would be racist??? do you mean because of rap or something? was rap even around back then, i dont remember it.


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Originally Posted by haradrel
Heh funny, I think its the other way around - all of the characters in the cartoons seem to have the same lame puns and humor. I can't really tell them apart except from their uniforms. In the comics I got a sense of personality.
But yeah seems like what people grew up with first is what is closest to their hearts. And its all gijoe so its all good in the end


i dont see this. duke was the all american, spirit was spiritual, bazooka was dumb, wildbill was different, roadblock rhymed, shipwreck was goofy, quick kick did the voices, beach head was stern, storm shadow although bad had honor, mutt was quick tempered. the comic everyone was all american, serious about their jobs and never joked, except clutch.


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