To Joe Dios
 

Some of your guy's comments have not sat well with me. I try to notify you when new 25th product is available like Wave 7 and Senior Command Packs and it's met with rude comments. I also didn't like what you so called "gentlemen" did to General Scarlett. I might also add I became enraged when she was verbally abused and called the b word. I gave her my collection for contests for best photo and best dio. When i heard what happened; I told her to keep the entire collection for herself. You guys are the one's missing out. She wasn't perfect; no one is. To resort to calling a female names boils my blood!!!!!!!!! If you got a problem with what I say, i'm not hard to find. You can look at my profile and send me message. In fact, I'd be more than happy to meet with you to discuss the matter face to face. This site is for fun and recreation. At least so i thought!! You can ban me for life for all i care!! Just know this, you treated a woman disrespectfully and with malice. To those who did it. I hope when you look in the mirror you like what you see. There are other sites out there with less name calling and more fun. I hope joe Dios returns to that Russ Spencer

To rds13601,

I think the ones here who collect the 25th appreciate your help locating the items you mention, for some of us however, (Myself and OutRider come to mind) the 25th is a betrayal. I stayed faithful and many times spent my hard earned cash on ARAH and even sold my Star Wars Collection to buy Joes. Now, Hasbro is saying to me "That's all done, what we did in the last 25 years wasn't good enough, throw it all away and buy these NEW "same old" figures, with crappy articulation and stiff joints". I figure as much money as I have put into this hobby, I earned the right to throw in a few snide comments about the 25th. Anything I say about the 25th is not personal towards you or any of you who still buy 25th figures, but I personally hate them and will NOT support this line. I'm sorry if you took that personal, it's not against you, but against a company I stayed faithful to for 25 years that threw away a product I was happy with for an inferior one.

As for General Scarlett, I don't remember anyone here calling her a "Biotch" or any other nasty word. What I do remember is everytime someone challenged or butted heads with her, she would start out with "I know you all think I'm Queen Biotch around here..." or something similar. But that didn't bother ME personally, it was irritating, but I knew it was part of her unique personality. What I got upset about was because she went and made MAJOR changes without asking the rest of the forum members what they thought or took a consensus as to whether it SHOULD have been done at all. Then, when nobody liked it, SHE started acting like it was because she was a Woman, and started saying everyone her THOUGHT she was a biotch, etc. It's one thing to do something only to find out it wasn't a good idea in the eyes of most here, but it's VERY INSULTING to TELL ME what I THINK of a PERSON. In my opinion, she wasn't level headed enough to hold a moderators position and I said just that. If you find fault with that, Sorry, but that's how I feel. She felt it was ok to tell everyone how she felt, but if anyone came back at her with how THEY felt, out came the "I AM MODERATOR" threats.

How would you feel if I posted a picture joking about something that you took serious, then when you got mad at me, I'd tell you "Well, you think I'm just an ignorant Jarhead". I don't have the right to tell YOU what YOU think of me. And neither did she. And if you did tell me how you felt, I'd threaten to ban you? I'll admit a lot of members here got fed up with her attitude early on, but I remained neutral, but when you have like 90% of the Veterans saying "Ok, that crossed the line..." you have to take a stand.

As for disrespect and Malice, who treated her like that? She got in a heated debate over religion, but that thread got WAY off topic and out of control and she wasn't the only one in that thread that needed a "TIME OUT". I think a lot of the disrespect and malice she got treated with was fabricated in her own head. Maybe one or two members here got loud with her here, but all in all, I think we gave her a wide berth of leinency before Mr. Fel was contacted about her conduct.

Other than the thread that got off course on religion, when did anyone here call here a name in the forum? Maybe I'm blind, but I only ask you to show me one instance....and for each one I can show you three where she was NOT called any name, but wrote "You all think I'm the queen B**CH here..." and similar remarks. If someone IM'ed her and called her a biotch, she banned them. I know she banned a hell of a lot of other folks for a lot less.

Think this over. Don't be reactive. If you can show me where we were being disrespectful (other than that one thread) I'll more than happily recant what I said.

Respectfully,
Frank

I suppose I should put my 2 cents in here. Time for a brief HIStory from my perspective.

In 2005, I got married.

By the end of 2006, Emi and I were having major problems. THings weren't getting properly resolved and we didn't really try to work things out. Go to counseling? Emi didn't have the energy to do that when things were that bad.

March 2007, I started working at Daiso. My 1st job since Trader Joes which I left in 2004? I was a stay home daddy for that long time. WHEN I entered Daiso, Emi got worried that I'd take interest in "all the young mall girls there". And sure, I told Frank and Shane some things, but things were falling apart due to OTHER reasons. A lot of it had to do with me not bucking up and taking a stand.

What I learned is that, I'd rather find a woman I can GROW with rather than one where I enter into "her" already set life.

When I moved out (I was homeless for a week), I didn't have a computer. I'd run to the library or Daiso to take care of VERY LITTLE JD business. I asked Fel if GS could become a moderator to take care of things. ie; Target Range, Weekend Warriors, getting rid of spam and dealing with mooks.

And almost at the beginning, I started hearing about problems with GS. I didn't know what was going on. I was getting PMs and IMs about things. Yet, I wasn't too worried about it.

It's been recently that people have been coming out of the woodwork. What you guys saw on the JD in terms of ranting was NOTHING compared to what was happening in the IMs to me and the PMs to me and Fel. People felt she wasn't level-headed (as Frank said) and quite arbitruary in a lot of matters. ie; too lenient (sp) in some cases, too hard in other. Yet, I still took a backseat, even when I came back.

MY ROLE in all this is that; I could listen. I can understand but I didn't feel it was my place to take away her powers or ban her or anything of the like. I told each and every person who had a problem with GS to take it up with Mr. Fel. He's the boss and he could make the best decision based on the info given to him. Some of the regulars have all but gone and disappeared (Phu & Jay come to mind).

JoeDios, to most of the guys (and you probably know this too since you been around awhile), was a self-policed site. We just needed someone with the power to ban a few trolls (KnowItAllJoe) and get rid of spam. I suppose JD had it's growing pains and people won't see eye-to-eye on things, but that's ok. As long as we can keep things polite (unlike the Metallica forums), everything should be ok.

As well, Mr. Fel wants this site to look a certain way. He doesn't believe we need a ton of forums because this is a specific crowd here. Sure, we can get OT in the regular forum, but there was no need for a movie forum, toy forum, comic forum, etc. He told me we could visit the JBL, YoJoe, JoeSightings, Hisstank, etc if we needed a bigger community atmosphere. Personally, I appreciate it when guys like you and Big L throw down the "What's new in the Joe line" cuz I'm not looking at closesly as I did.

RDS, thank you for your feelings on the matter of GS. Nothing wrong with getting 'em out.

To rds13601
 

To Rds13601.
With all due respect you speak of these people who branded her a bitch. Those that treated her with disrespect and those that verbally abused her.

With all due respect if you see fit you should call out what you think you know, because clearly you know more than your letting on and clearly you've been talking to someone else to gauge this reaction.

What hammerfel done was make a crucial decision on moderation, for the good of the site, he even went out and publicly thanked pru for all her time and efforts, i agree also here with frank on the subject of that religious thread, it doesn't sit too well with most forums on discussion of religion and it got well out hand.

Aside from this, for alot of veterans here they were at times cautious about commenting on certain topics or points of discussion because of Pru's rather quickfire banning procedure. I think the best example was brought up by resident member fireflyed .. he began giving his opinions and thoughts on the changes pru made.. with the comments 'with the risk of being banned' .. it's like frank said, it seemed half the time you couldn't give honest criticism of any situation without thinking you were going to being banned for it. . . and all because it didn't sit well with her original decisions.

I can't speak for everyone here at joe dios, but i know alot of veterans felt that we really didnt need a moderator, and that basically we can all sort anything out amongst ourselves.
Rich

Actually, Big L, it was a mix of her wanting to be a mod (she's a mod on JBL too) and me recommending her for it. I needed someone and she was more than willing to step up to the plate. She DID want it and I helped out. You weren't wrong, Big L.

To joe dios
 

Who are you guys trying to convince, me or yourselves!! As far as childness; I think you guys have set the bar for that. I could care less what you guys think of me. All i know is she tried her best and it wasn't easy. In a position like that you're not going to please everyone. Hence the term moderator. Nobody is perfect. Instead of butting heads maybe you could of helped her!! As for religion, maybe she didn't know what to do. Maybe she didn't want to post the thread but then felt she didn't want to deny the guy his say. Obviously, you guys know it all. I find your arrogance quite amusing. After reading your wonderful comments, Pru was moved to tears. You guys should be happy with yourselves. Making someone who tried their best cry. Gee, that wasn't childish of you guys at all, was it?

Dude, you aren't seeing it right. Or even level-headed. YOU KNOW that before she came into power, the only problem we EVER had were with trolls and spam. EVER since she came in, all i got were reports of problems. Not hard enough in some instances, too mellow on others. A person tells me to f off and it's NOT justified, they are banned. cuz that is a sign of disrespect. From what I gather, Pru would listen to both sides. CaptMax told me to F off. That meant to me he had not respect for authority. I banned him. Pru said he was BIPOLAR. Honestly, what's that mean to me? Understand him? It dont' work like that here. It's the internet. Real life really doesn't work here. You think a corporation would be ok with a worker telling the CEO to f off? Please.

Prudence did a lot of things that pissed people off.

Maybe it was justified. Maybe it wasn't.

People see this as a democratic site and she, apparently, did a lot of tyranical things. We don't need to convince ourselves. SHe made mistakes. BUT mods have to be level-headed. They have to objective, NOT subjective.

The greatest thread is the religion thread. IN which, Frank never asked people's opinions WHAT their affiliation is. But it got way off topic. And then we had pics of Prudence with clergy. That didn't go with the fact that Frank was questioning whether to let his kid go to a funky cultish group.

And for the record, GS has had problems over on the JBL too. So do NOT think that her behavior here is an isolated incident.

Well,if you had read the thread and my responses, you would know I'm not trying to convince anyone. Just stating the truth of what happened. I just spent about an hour loking through the forums and still have yet to find ONE instance of anyone here calling Prudence a name. If you know something I don't...tell me. I'm confused!

I think no less of you for trying to take up for a person you though was wronged. That takes guts. My point is, no one disrespected her until she disrespected them first. Again...it's easy to listen to HER side of the story that everyone disrespected HER, but I never saw it. Was it in IM's? Was it on the Forum? Where?



Uhm, I think you have confused the term Moderator. From Websters online;

moderator

Main Entry: mod·er·a·tor
Pronunciation: \ˈmä-də-ˌrā-tər\
Function: noun
Date: circa 1560
1: one who arbitrates : mediator
2: one who presides over an assembly, meeting, or discussion: as a: the presiding officer of a Presbyterian governing body b: the nonpartisan presiding officer of a town meeting c: the chairman of a discussion group
3: a substance (as graphite) used for slowing neutrons in a nuclear reactor
— mod·er·a·tor·ship \-ˌship\ noun


A moderator/Mediator keeps the peace. Hard to do when you have a persecution complex and think everyone is against you.





Uh, I remember when guys would try to tell her maybe she acted unfairly, she threatened to ban people.How can you help someone who takes the job "moderator" to mean infallable Judge, Jury and executioner? She certainly never let some people have their say. You speak of our arrogance? What of hers? Assuming we are all against her. Assuming she had to ban people to make her point. She tried hard? Well, many of us tried hard to look past her dictatorial style of moderatorship and went around like we were walking on landmines.

You speak of us...where were you? Funny you seem to not read any of the posts where she bears her faults and overbearing demeanor and attack us as if we should be ashamed. I am not! Funny she was not crying when she banned Shane for telling her she got off topic on the religion thread and he didn't appreciate her posting pics and her views on religion.

Guess it's easy to sit back an hide and not make the tough decisions then run to the aid of a woman when you have not been involved in the situation.