should hasbro bring back the o-ring???
 

I did vote yes. But I don't that it's because I'm afraid of change, I like change, so long as the change is like good. And though the 25th stuff is neat and there's some guys who have decent hand articulation, like Scarlett for example, moving at the waist makes sense. The O-ring made waist movent feel realistic (despite being able to turn 360 degrees), and I loved the JVC, VVV and DTC figures.

I'm sorry. i'm voting o-ring. fact is, if Hasbro did swivle waists along with the pivot chest, i'd be cool. But hasbro can't think like Takara so...

i voted yes as i dont like the new style

bring back the o ring please

:confused: You voted no against bringing back the o-ring.. yet here you state you'd want to see a better form of articulation in the waist.. :o

I wonder how much it costs hasbro to produce the new figures, you know.. now that the o-ring and screws aren't used for the build up.. I wonder what the productions costs run between the O-ring and the 25th Anniversary?

So now that I thought that out and threw it out there for people to mull and chew on. I'd say that Hasbro has almost got it.. so I don't think they should bring back the O-ring. You can actually have Articulated Figures without O-ring, and ones that move just as good as the 25ths and O-ring combined.

Just look at the movement you can do with a series 5-6 Marvel Legend from Toybiz back in the day, they can move. If they could bring in the extra articulation into the torso there and cut out the man flab/boobs we'd be rockin..
Course hasbro doing this is another thing.. they'll yammer on about extra articulation means the figures become loose over time.. when what they really mean is.. "Extra articulation.. oh good heavens.. that means the shareholders won't have that extra dollar, we can't do that" :D

NOTE TO HASBRO: Don't bring back the O-ring, you've made your bed..now lie in it you greedy, selfish demons!!! :p

I didn't vote yet. I like both styles of figures. They fixed the 25th so they can sit down now, a big improvement over the first wave, and O rings don't have to be replaced on these guys. I have an O Ring Python Trooper whose O ring broke, and on top of that, the screw in his back is stripped so I can't replace it, so he is permanently broken in half.

I haven't used the 25th figures in any pictures yet, so I don't know how they are to work with in that regard, but my old figures work just fine (except for the Viper Pit figures.)

And the ones..
 

and of course the ones that are snapped in half with stripped screws ;)

Microman, as fragile as they are, have better torso/waist movement.

Now that I think about it, I prefer the o-ring simply cuz the chest is one piece. If you look at Duke or half the other 25A figures, their shirts don't line up. It's kind of annoying. I don't think I ever had problems with the 1-piece chest (ie; w/o articulation) when it came to posing.

I don't mind the size variance. I love the sculpting and the ideas (for the most part) that Hasbro is doing. You take the Wild Weasel & Snow Job figures and check out their legs. It's the same base legs but they changed up the accessories. Very smart idea. So instead of having to sculpt new legs every time, they can add small changes.

Let me speak on this too. I know a lot of people are dissing the 25A cuz Hasbro went with the original outfits. I figures, it's the 25A, what do you expect? You don't go FORWARD with designs, that's what the off years are for. :p Seriously, anniversaries are usually a time for reflection. I don't mind they went 'backwards' with the outfit designs. We're seeing that the outfits from the original line still hold up today.

Snake Eyes blew me away. The v1. He's just awesome, regardless if you love or hate the character. It's a tight figure. I didn't think that old 1982 design would work. But it does!

Roadblock or Gung Ho on the other hand, not quite so.

I think dio-wise, it's nice to have the crew in their original outfits. They simply been updated. So instead of the crappy VvV Wild Weasel, we got a wonderful 25A Wild Weasel.

My biggest beef, other than the goofy articulation in the arms is that we're getting too many versions of a character. Yeah, I'm looking at YOU Mr. Winterized Snake Eyes and your brother from another mother, Toxic Snake Eyes!!!

I will fix him for you, I have yet to find a figure I could not fix!

Of course I voted to bring back the o-ring, not because I don't like change, but because the 25th articulation style was a backwards move, inferior to the o-ring articulation in every way. That's what Hasbro will have to do if they want anymore of my money! (Not that I'm dumb enough to think it will ever happen).

O-Ring IS GI Joe. Without a o-ring these figures are nothing more than Star Wars knock-offs! The o-ring is what made GI Joe figures unique. I will go one step further, my figures not only need o-rings, they need metal rivets! You all are being duped into buying inferior toys. Let me ask you this: on the 50th anniversary of GI Joe who will still be around & sought after - 1982 or 1983 Cobra Commander or the 25th pea-headed, chicken legged Cobra Commander?
I hear people saying "I buy the 25th figures because I don't have any of the classic figures." Take the 25th Major Bludd, this pile of soft plastic is going for $7-$8 in stores & up to $15 online. You can buy a minty, complete 1983 Bludd for about $10 give or take.
Like I said o-rings are GI Joe!

I voted yes, but I'm really in the middle.

I don't think either reverting back to ARAH or continuing with the 25A is the optimal solution.

I'd like to see ARAH construction with the 25A ankles, wrists and accessories (belts and holstered pistols/knives).

Can you guess what I'm gonna say? The 25th is soooo nasty! Ok, they may have cool detailing, but I don't have a single one (and I only own about 30 total) that can stand up on their own. Their man-boob articulation sucks, their dainty hands can barely hold weapons and they can't sit down to save their lives!

Bring back the ARAH molds....hell, I'll take the Nu-Sculpt mold, but just Stop the madness! And don't try to improve them...everytime you do, it just gets worse!

thats true, but i for one dont buy them for future sell. i told my g/f if she needs an operation then id sell them. otherwise i want to either be buried with them, of if i have a son hopefully he will love them. and i honestly dont think the V1 bludd, Destro or whoever look anywhere near as cool as the 25th. so if im buying something to look at of take pics of, i want the new detail. dont get me wrong, i have always loved joes.

I have to say everyone of my 25th figures can stand up on its own. Every single one (I have nearly 100). I also can get every single one to hold a weapon in a realistic fashion. 75% can aim (eye behind scope) w/o any alterations. The others need minor fixes.

I love the 25th stuff, I had and have nearly all the RAH Joes (my uncle worked for Hasbro back in the day and I was a toy "tester" so I got boatloads of stuff free). But I much prefer the 25th line. RAH has become less usable to me and are now my collectibles simply because I hate DEAD molds. I always hated a guy having a holster and pistol molded to his leg. I like real usable gear hence 25th all the way.

I am not talking about resale, what I meant was you can purchase a real Joe for about the same price as the new pseudo Joes. There is nothing cool looking about the new Bludd, but look at this here - now that is cool!

I voted YES , bring back the O RING please

Blood is nice. That pic is nice. But the 25th Blood (which I just picked up today is amazing!!! The missiles come off the pack for crying out loud) is superior. Like the original and like the fig in the pic I'll be fixing the arm for movement.

Honestly, I like the O-Ring, I have seven of the 25th, I used my Cobras in one set of my shots, they took forever to set up, they wouldn't stand, the weapons kept falling out of their hands etc. Don't even get me started on Shipwreck, one hand is useless,and he can't sit. Don't get me wrong, the new sculpts in some cases look nice,( other cases not so good, btw ever look at these things side on? The head articulation makes them look like the robots from I, Robot), but these figs are just ornaments for me, I find them useless for my pics.

How do you Guy's think i Voted??If you need a Hint,just look at my Avatar... :D

Something that I would like to return more than anything is the Kung-fu Grip. Unique 25A hands that can only hold a specific item (Roadblock) or nothing at all (Cobra Commander) really annoys me.

O-ring rules!!!!!
 

The o-ring is GI Joe.
Hasbro could do better only if they want.

Check the work of this customizer. It is pure o-ring. If a single man can do this, what about a big company like Hasbro could do.

http://www.joecustoms.com/userops/profile.php?uid=12
http://www.evilface.com/livevil.htm

For the record, I don't feel going no o-ring is a backwards move. I'm not opposed to change, but I'm finding I like the bastard era stuff more and more. The shoulders are no biggy but I'm finding I like the old arm swivel better than what they are doing now. The ankle articulation, doesn't mean much to me. I'd rather see a thigh swivel tho so you can line up the leg better when they are standing.

Still, ARAH is the past for me. And when I see them used, it's just like, "guh..." Especially the HUGE difference in Lehsreh's "Country Boy" dio. Cross COuntry and his giant noggin, horrible face sculpt vs a better looking figure like cowboy Wild Bill. Or the 2 era of TeleVipers together??? EEK!

The double-jointed knees are nice. BUT my fave are the swivel wrists.

The swivel wrists are great, but plenty of new sculpt o-ring figures had that as well, it's not unique to the 25th style of figures. The main reasons I dislike the 25th stuff are their fragility, their limited poseability, their mostly skinny and poorly proportioned bodies, and their larger scale. Plus I hate how Hasbro arrogantly expects that someone who already has all these characters as ARAH figures will buy them all again just because they have been "re-imagined". :( As a few others have said, the o-ring IS GI Joe.

i understand the latter part here. i really do feel for you guys, i mean there is nothing to hunt. me, as i said before i had not even saw many of these figures. its fun for me to hunt something i wanted 20+years ago. im even doing it with a few of the ARAH stuff. so while im happy with the 25th, i feel for those of you who had all of these already. thats why when i say i love the 25th and say i think there better, i hope no one takes it the wrong way and gets upset. im not trying to say, "your wrong about the 25th, there better and your dumb for wanting the old stuff". im just saying im cool with them, as i am with the old stuff.

the first part about limited possibility i dont agree with. its true that the waist movement of the old joes bent better then the chest of the 25th, the knees and ankles of the 25th allow for dozens of poses for me.

Amen!!

Not to mention most of them just look like crap!

I was just saying that the swivel wrists being standard for the 25A (well, for the most part...), I like the best. I don't see why Vader thinks the figures are ugly. Looking at Speir's latest shot of the Fred and then compare it to an ARAH, the head sculpting are worlds apart.

I don't find my figures to be fragile. They seem as sturdy as the basard era figures. At least I don't have thumbs and o-rings breaking on me. :p

I don't mind the direction that Hasbro went for the 25th Anniversary.

The movie stuff, that's what I worry about.

Its not unique but its standard.



I really have no idea what you are on about here - They are more sturdy then the ARAH figures - no broken Crotches, no broken Thumbs - and so far very few limp joints



They are more posable then the original figures ever was - if you can't pose these guys you are doing it wrong, plain and simple.



They are better proportioned then the original run - actually they are pretty near perfect scale - some varying head sizes is all, but even the original run had more of it then the 25th.



I am guessing you are no fan of the 12" as well then?



This I completely agree with you on - they should do both lines to appease the "veterans" as well as newcomers/collectors.



You are totally forgetting about the 12" line. O-ring is not GI Joe, it might have been the GI joe you grew up with, but its not the be all end all of GI Joe.

Just FYI I'm not trying to come off as "mean" - I just wanted to respond the way a 25th collector sees things. You had good examples on why most dislike the line so I picked your post to answer to - no hard feelings man :) - we have different points of view - And in this hobby of ours that's bound to happen when they alter the product to such a degree, I respect your view as you have been collecting these for a good long while - but please respect the new collectors that re-live their childhood now with figures that they deem better then what they remember (well some of us do), and not bash the 25th line every chance you get, its getting kind of old. - I thought we had a "bash the 25th line" post somewhere, but every place I turn these days on joedios I constantly find grumblings about the line, even on comments on pictures! or reviews!
My way of doing things is simple - if you don't have anything constructive to write (constructive criticism) or positive, then don't write at all, it just sets a bad mood, and no-one benefits from it.

I will say it again as I have said this before - the 25th line got me back into collecting the joes from my childhood. If they had just re-launched the original figures I probably would have just stopped with Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow and left it there.
The 25th are in my point of view a step forward - not close to perfect - but neither was the original run of figures. They are however God-send to us photographers with their posability and true to scale 1:18 (which means we can steal a whole lot of other accessories from other places and use with them for the dios).

oh man, i forgot about that. thats the biggest reason im for the 25th. i broke a thumb and crotch just taking pics in the winter. wasnt even touching the guys, just picked them up and they broke from then cold.

Its good to see everyone still passionate about this hobby. Not everyone has the same taste in figures. I don't care for the 25th stuff, there is alot of o-ring stuff I dispise too. For financial reasons I have had to thin out my collection recently, what do I keep - my "vintage" figures. In the original line there is alot of crap too, and I have been vocal about those. I don't care for the relaunched figures of the late 90s, early 00s either. I think their skin is way to pale, I didn't need new kit-bashed characters or repaints of figures I already own. The new sculpt o-ring line (I think this is what G calls the bastard line) is not for me either. I know I am going out on a limb here buy I hate Cross Hair - he can't hold his weapons either. When I do get to buy a figure for myself it is pre-1990 - that is what I love, it is a actual "collectors item" NONE of the post 1994 stuff are, except maybe the exclusives and 97, 98 figures, which I do own a few of.
Passion is good, dialogue & defense of your taste in figures is fun. I would rather you be collecting 25th than not collecting at all, but I will still poke fun of them. As far as comments on pictures, I love them - good or bad!!! If you don't like a figure I post, take a crack, IT IS FUN! The whole reason I come to this site is for fun, to releave stress and go back to a better time!

I am a fan of the 25th Anniversary, for whatever odd reasons I've got. I can understand why people would prefer the return of the o-rings. The Anniversary line has allowed me to get back into the hobby without totally going bankrupt; I can now build my coveted Cobra Army.
I really do like the o-ring Cobra Officer...if only because it's "me" in Troops of Doom. I got to kick Boba Fett in the nards!

I really don't think that's what Hasbro was going for. I have a very strong feeling they were trying to get NEW buyers interested, you know Hasbro's real $$$ maker, kids. A kid who has never seen G.I. Joes will be way more impressed by new stuff then by the RAH stuff. Sure some board member's kid may LOVE RAH but I have a feeling that comes from mommy or daddy playing with them. Think of it like this, a mom or dad who used to play with Joes walks down the action figure aisle with its various figures and sees the 25th stuff, bam memories come back they pick one or two up for little Billy or Susie and Hasbro gets a NEW cash cow that will live for several more decades, as opposed to us aging folks. Or it could be a kid who gets bright eyed at seeing Destro or SE and again BAM!!!

Hasbro is doing the right thing. Collectors are a very very small segment of Hasbro's revenue. To survive they can not cater to us they MUST get new buyers who will shop with them for years to come. Sure you may say, "If it was RAH style I'd buy them all." Well guess what Hasbro sells out of stock faster than a crack dealer in South Harlem.

As far as proportions go, as an artist I have to say the 25th stuff is far more realistically scaled then anything in RAH. Come on Baroness is the same size as Destro who is the same size as Gung-Ho and on and on.

Having well over 100 of the 25th figs I have to say Hasbro has made a few slip ups but they learn quick and in my opinion are making a product that will sell in today's market.

Thumbs up to Hasbro.