Bash The 25th and Hasbro Thread!!
 

With so many of us (Outrider and I) on here NOT impressed with the 25th in Particular and Hasbro in General, and everyone tired of us taking the opportunity to bash them on EVERY THREAD, EVERY Chance we get, I figured I'd post this thread where we could pull posts from other threads over and bash the uber-megaconglomerate that is Hasbro and it's evil Cohorts...Walmart and Toys R Us, this way the other threads aren't clogged with our rantings! ;)

So, to start, CaptMax stated this over in the questions to hasbro thread;

***SMIRK**** :o

I'm assuming the above was a joke, but if not, here's my counterpoints;

The problem is, they would make oodles more $$$ if they would listen to what fans want and quit coming up with this crappy off the wall stuff!

The reason they bring it back is because we keep buying it....no matter HOW Crappy it is! If you can produce crap and make a profit...wouldn't you? We need to hold these clowns to a higher standard and stop buying whatever crap they decide to mold and slap the GI Joe Logo on!

The collectors club "reasonably Priced"? Even with my membership, it costs $20.00 for a crappy new sculpt figure! And Con sets, you need a co-signer for! The only reason I like the club is they are gonna keep producing ARAH and Nu-Sculpt figures and not those delicate little 25th things!

Yes, they allow us to ask questions , to which they never answer and if they do answer, it's some double talk, like "It's in the works", "we're working on that" or "That's something we're considering". In 2002 when I got back into collecting, it took me about a week to figure out by looking on forums and Ebay, what would sell and what wouldn't......

And another Storm Shadow, Snake Eyes, Duke and Cobra Commander isn't gonna cut it!

HAHAHAHA Thats funny ender, good one :D

Thank you! I knew there had to be a reasonable way to settle this.

My main problem with 25th figures: the scale. Just when the new-sculpt figures were consistently coming out at a size that looked fine alongside ARAH, they scrap the line and relaunch it at a 4.1" (or whatever it is) standard.

My secondary problem, which stops me wanting to overcome the first one like I did with some of the giant new-sculpt guys: the mid-torso joint. Okay -- I get it, that real humans swivel in the torso rather than purely at the waist, but from an aesthetic point of view I think they're hideous. Everyone has man-boobs (the only exceptions I've seen being the women, Serpentor and Zartan -- apparently body armor saves them), seams/zippers/straps across the torsos are broken when this joint is turned, and most infuriatingly of all, none of them look like the 2 sections have been pushed together enough. They all have a figure-8 kind of thing going on, where both sections curve inwards where they meet, and anyone who does have a strap (Storm Shadow, for instance) continuing from one section to the next suffers from a lack of continuity -- there's a point on the lower section where the paint & sculpting ends leaving a bare area even when the figure's standing up straight. It looks like the ribcage part should be down more, overlapping the top of the abdomen section more completely, but every picture I've seen has this gap. The new Flash figure, previewed on yojoe.com, has the classic red body armor over his torso but there's a thin green band around his midsection!

I can't really blame Hasbro for not releasing 25th figures outside the US, as new-sculpt stuff had extremely limited releases and seemed to hang around & end up on clearance, so I realize it's a lack of market interest (although since they're treating 25th as basically a new line, maybe they could give it a try over here and call it Action Force again or something...) but the look of the figures puts me off even caring if potential customers or Hasbro develop any interest in having them on our shelves.

And all this is without even going into the reports I've read from long-standing Joe-fans AND people who were drawn to the 25th through nostalgic curiosity, describing the inability for the figures to sit, difficulty/impossibility getting some other joints to pose/move as desired, loose limbs straight out of the package, parts breaking with minimal effort, inability to hold accessories...

I wonder if the unavailability of the figures was planned by Hasbro, as I'm sure a certain level of people's excitement about the line, and their willingness to pay the prices they're charged, has come from their scarcity and the toy-hunt fever (that I'm all-too familiar with) which has built in people trying to track them down...? Like, if they were everywhere and there was no trouble finding every character, would fans be more discerning when looking at the quality of the figures, rather than buying one automatically because it was the only one they'd seen after a few weeks of searching...?

OK, I think I'm done. Nice thread -- it probably is good to have this place to vent, rather than having it spill out and stirring up negativity in threads where 25th lovers & haters might be trying to discuss the same topic...!

My main problem is the new body style. Why go and change it :confused: ? The mid torso joint is hideous :eek: . At least with the old rah style everyone was in proportion with each other :) . I also think that it is bs that they can't make old style six packs like the TRU ones. Now the only way to get old style stuff is to pay master collector's outrageous prices for their exclusives :rolleyes: . While their figures rock,the prices are way too much imo.

Thanks Frank, we gotta stick together on this one! ;) Oh man, where do I start? I believe everyone knows my thoughts on the 25th stuff by now, so I probably don't need to go into every detail again. I did give them a fair chance (bought both of the first Joe and Cobra five packs), and sadly they only confirmed my suspicions. I was very disappointed, not only with the new body type (chest join, head...urgh!) and fragility of the rotten things, but the cartoonish styling really blew it for me, a confirmed realism lover. I could go on, but you know the story.
Frank hit the nail right on the head...if we refuse to buy the cr@p Hasbro pump out, they'll stop pumping out cr@p. Hence my refusal to buy any subsequent figures until they revert to something akin to the quality of the "old" days (dream on!).

My beef is the arms also. I wish they could bend at the elbow just a bit further so they can hold a rifle 2-handed, easily. Or well. Or at all, period.

I don't mind the lack of waist joint but it seems pretty lame that they DIDN'T ball joint it. Or just left the o-ring construction. Maybe it's easier to do larger scale figures or they are trying to move away from other 3.75" figures. ie; SW and BBI. Either way, I don't really mix the eras anyway so the larger size is no biggie.

I'm not really bashing 'em. I just consider it a different era just as GI Joe Extreme was a different era.

What is this added Articulation I keep hearing about? Are we back to "O" Rings yet? (PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE!!!)

The only 25th I own is the Cobra Set I was GIVEN, and most of those have went right back into the box they came in. Stormy and Destro are ok, and have managed to kic around my apartment quite a bit, but, let's face, they is FUGLY. I know the original Baroness mold ain't exactly Maxim material, but this new one looks like a She-Male prostitute with rickets. Figures who can't hold guns, who's plastic is too soft, a genetically created WARLORD with a blank expression on his face like he's watching an episode of "Joey"....come on Hasbro...REALLY? Are you serious? You really wanna do this? It's like when the execs made this choice they had beer goggles on and went "Wow, you're pretty", woke up the next day to Snaggletooth, and still decided to have a committed relationship with a walrus.

Just my two cents.

when i got my Joe 5 pack the only issue i had was that Duke's arms couldn't really bend ,and then i got the cobra 5 pack and i was happy with it( even the tranny looking baroness :D )and even though i haven't been able to find many at my local stores the ones i have found i'm enjoying ,do i miss the o-ring construction ?sure but i'm also happy to be getting updated characters( snow job, flash, and breaker in particular )overall i like the 25th line and even though this is a bash the twenty fifth line thread those are just my two cents( please don't flay me alive :o )

Quote of the century. Priceless, Shane...priceless. :D :D :D

My Gung Ho doesn't stand up. I have him permanently posed like the poster for platoon. :)

One of my Complaints with the 25th is "What about NEW figures?".

Air viper? you Frankenjoe a gas mask trooper and give him a JUMP and it's NEW?
(gotta admit, I DO like the concept, it's the execution that is a cheap shot IMHO!)

Red ninja? Remember the BJ's special Red Storm Shadow and the Cobra ninja pack?

I know this is the 25th "Anniversary" and supposed to be nostalgic, but c'mon!


I keep hearing this;

"Well, ya know, I never got a Version one of ______, "
(add Duke, Snake eyes, Cobra Commander or whatever in the blank!!!)

To which I say;

"Oh, I guess you missed the Tiger Force version, the Night Force Version, the Battle Corps Version, the Ninja Force Version, the arctic Version, The Star Brigade version, the Collectors 2001 Version, the TRU Exclusive 1997 Version, the 15th Anniversary version, The Desert Patrol Pack version, the Spytroops Version, the Valor Vs. Venom Version, the DTC Version and the COMIC PACK versions as well?
What does HAsbro have to do? Buy it for you?"

GOD!!!

1,000 versions of the same figures and people want remakes of the same old figure....when are we gonna get fresh figures? When is Hasbro ever gonna finish anything? They need to remake the Headhunters and Stormtroopers....those figures sell for uber cash on ebay and you can't afford to army build them! Are we ever gonna get the rest of the Plague? Good idea, pi$$ poor execution!

This is one of my main irks as well. The 25th line is yet to give us anything fresh. I concede it's an anniversary line, but it's not yet 12 months old and we've had how many CC's, Snake Eyes, etc? But Hershel is right too, this was also a problem with the o-ring stuff as well. Hasbro's laziness is infuriating - "Okay, lets just change the colour of the paint apps on the gloves and release it as another Cobra Commander"....yeah, right!

New characters are what keep the line interesting, that's why this year's con set was so brilliant...NEW CHARACTERS...no CC, no Snake Eyes, no Duke!!! Personnel turnover is a natural evolution, especially in an active combat unit like GI Joe. Example; I've worked at the same place for 23 years, and out of around 50 employees, their are only eight or nine who are still there from when I started. Literally hundreds of employees have come and gone in that time.

But it's not just a Hasbro thing, people keep buying the stuff! I can't believe how people will buy whatever crap Hasbro slaps a "GI Joe" Logo on, no matter how Crappy! I hate to say it (and for the longest time I was guilty of it too) but some people are just sheep....blindly following whatever.

The ones that tick me off are the ones saying "Well, I didn't get a V1 flint" so they get the 25th version. I did the same with PDD! There is nothing wrong with that...if it IS a figure you don't have or need to replace! But then they go out and buy all 3 five packs, all 4 waves, etc, ad nauseum when they already have all of the versions of all of these figures.




You know, I think they should use this concept to update "The Oktober Guard" . A new lineup with new Characters. And the same with GI joe. They can use the same Codenames, just new People. A female "Flash". A white Ranger who takes Stalkers place. Or a Puerto Rican Tunnel Rat. New names, new file Cards, same specialtys and codenames!

For Exapmle:


__________________________________________________ _____________
Code Name; MainFrame

Name; Nash, Franklin N. Rank; Gysgt E7

SSN; *** ** 9499

Primary Specialty; Tactical Data Network Operations

Secondary Specialty; Combat Engineer

Like the Original MainFrame, GySgt Nash did time in the Army (as a Combat Engineer). Swearing he would never re-up, the birth of his son drove him back to Active service, this time with the Marine Corps who thought his skills would be better used behind the keyboard of computer terminals. MainFrame has experience in Cisco Routing and Switching, Server operations, web servers and tactical microwave transmitters. If you have a calculator watch and a radio, he can build you a tactical network anywhere in the world. He's old, slow and mean, he never takes "no" for an answer and never quits. If his system doesn't work, he's been known to blow it up with C4 and start from scratch! He is qualified with the M9 9mm pistol, M16, M60, M67 90mm recoiless rifle Nato and Warsaw Pact explosives mines and booby traps and has extensive knowledge of bridging operations.


"No school like Old School baby!"



__________________________________________________ _____________


Ok, that was a little self-promoting, but hey! I needed to illustrate a point, why not make myself as a figure!

I thought this was the Bash 25th anniversary thread, not the pimp Frank for his own Joe thread :p

A big part of the problem for sure! Back in the eighties I was guilty of being a completist, but when the line got crappy in the early nineties, I only bought what I liked and left the junk warming pegs. These days, I'd have to be considered a "minimalist", because there's not much that Hasbro releases now that I consider worthy of my hard-earned. :rolleyes:

We are soo much alike!

Yes Frank's bio was quite good. On the 25th side of things, like my tag says, I'm old school, I love the old figures and vehicles. I really thought the line took a downturn in the 90's, but it bounced back in the 00's. Now it's on a downturn again. Although, I don't own any of the 25th line, I have seen them, and while I think detail wise, they are very nice, look wise, I find the limbs too long and skinny, I don't like the upper torso turning, and size wise, I can't see them fitting in the old vehicles, kind of reminds me of the Sgt Savage line, where the figs were slightly larger. As well, are they even releasing any 25th vehicles, and why would I want to spend cash on vehicles that unless I bought the entire 25th line, I may have only one or two figures for, it makes no sense to me. BOO Hasbro!

Agreeing/Disagreeing
 

This is a good thread to be sure. I am far more tolerant of the 25th than many others, and that's okay. But I think I am a minimalist as Craig has mentioned. I pick what I want and not what I think will bring nostalgia or re-sell well on eBay.

I like Beach-Head and was able to pick up a Firefly at retail. That is a solid sculpt, and although the paint apps could be better, I have a use for those 2 figures.

I am glad for the people on other forums who feel they need 5 of the same Zartan because his card is different, or multiple Snake-Eyes based on the color of his wolf. It's their cash, and because of Frank and other servicemen and servicewomen, it's a still a free country.

I am glad for those people because now Hasbro is going to release old school vehicles again. Some people will have the opportunity to pick up vehicles they never had, or could never afford before at retail instead of "well used" toys on eBay. Although some people will try and scalp them as well. Once again, it's a free country, and if they want to risk "investing" their money clearing out every Target within 250 miles of them, great for them.

When I picked up the aforementioned FF, I left a Cobra Trooper, two Beach-Heads, a Stalker, a Cobra Commander, a Buzzer and a Lady Jaye on the pegs for others. It is one thing to be caught up in the moment of nostalgia, and quite another thing to buy stuff that you never plan to use and hope you can gouge someone else on...

But you are correct. Someone will buy the good and the bad, and Hasbro's marketing/sales data will be skewered, if they look at sales numbers at all. And they won't understand what people really want.

Well said Yorky! You raised some good points that are worth reiterating. Like you said, it's a free country, so if people want five of the same figure because of minor variations, that's entirely their business, as it is if they want to buy everything and sell it on eBay for a profit. Personally, I've never understood the desire to leave stuff MOC or MIB. Heck, if I spend money on toys, I'm gonna use 'em! I guess that makes me more of a Joe fan rather than a Joe collector. The unfortunate aspect of this for me is that because Hasbro Toy Shop isn't interested in selling to anyone outside the US, I'm forced to deal with the scalpers or miss out.
You also raised a good point on buying what you want, not what might have a high re-sale price later on. People questioned me for customizing my M.O.T.H. sets and Con sets because of the effect on the re-sale value. Who cares? I'm never going to sell them anyway, so what does it matter?

I completely argree with you Outrider. So not much to say other than ( and I type this as if HASBRO is reading):

If Hasbro wants to re-live the orignal figures and pay tribute to the 80's then ARAH should be the way to do it, It baffles me that you put out a Con set in ARAH style ( A pretty damn good one) and say you are celibrating the line, then you don't stick with what made you successful "the ARAH mold".

I understand that a lot of the molds of old are missing, but think about how much would be profited remaking the molds using the more defined heads and sending them on the street. Look at all of us Purist that refuse to buy the new line. That's revenue lost on us. Bottom line, if it's ARAH style, we buy if it's not we don't.

If you want to suck me into your new line, then forget the figures and just start putting all the accessories guns, webbelts, helmets, etc that come with them, in a battle pack.

I didn't like the new 25th line that much when it came out and I was reading reviews and people said they were crapy. I just went 2 Florida last week and found a Cobra set I bought it and brought it back 2 the hotel and fell in love with them I love the detail and the figuers r great. Iwent and got the Joe pack and and they r really great 2 I then found some single packs I got 4 Cobras and a stalker he is my most fav fig right now. I do have a few problems with them though I dont like how they can't sit and how the arms go backwards it is very anoying and they dont hold the guns that well. but I really love these guys I do miss the o-ring and the 3 inch height they should of just kept the same size as the first guys. 1 of the best things about the cobras in wave 2 is that they have silver cobra logos it is a cheap way of making an army of viper pilots. Well thats what I think of the 25th line.

Cobra Freak :D

4.Ask them if there creative team ever comes to joedios.com

We check out almost all the fan sites on occasion, including dios. We
also keep an eye on the boards to hear what is going on. We just don't listen to this thread and the hundreds just like it. The 25th naysayers will shrivel up and die as soon as they realize we're NEVER gonna go back to 3 3/4inch ARAH molds as long as we can push crap onto the mindless masses of sheep that buy our JUNK!!!

Maybe I should shut the hell up! I just checked Hasbrotoyshop.com and all but two of their 25th figures are sold out! :mad: :confused: :eek:


Or maybe they stock HTS like they stock Walmart, Target and TRU.....
Wave one 5 packs anyone??

And I thought I could tell Hasbro and the retail chains off;

http://www.joedios.com/dioramas/sho...55137#post55137


http://www.popmatters.com/pm/column...-go-for-gi-joe/

2. Are there any more popular female characters in the pipeline for figures next year, such as Jinx or Cover Girl?


Answer: Sorry, Jinx and Cover Girl are not in the plans for 2008... but we will see a new Scarlett and Lady Jaye, both with new heads.

Whooohooo! More Scarlett and Lady Jaye! Why on earth would someone want another Cover girl or Jinx? Both my versions are holding up well....I need another Scarlett and Lady jaye because my Version 2,147 Scarlett and Lady Jaye Version 1,114 are starting to get a little worn!

GOD! I hope they get me another Duke, Snake Eyes and Cobra Commander! I haven't seen a new version of those figures in DAYS!!!

Ok, let's keep score...Crappy answers (or B.S. Answers) from hasbro;


Q.. Will G.I. Joe expand into Hasbro's other action figure categories such as Unleashed, Attacktix, Titanium, etc.?

A. Great question. In the short term there are no such plans, but in the long term with the GI Joe movie we will explore many expressions of the GI Joe brand.

ONE!!


Cool Toy Review: Why is it that instead of a 25th Anniversary comic-based figure pack we don’t get (at least once) a cartoon-based pack? There’s a great number of characters that showed a remarkable variant look on the classic cartoons such as: Ace, Cover Girl(MASS Device), Lady Jaye, Wild Bill, Sparks, Torpedo, Breaker, Flint, and the “Green Shirts” (among others) that would make an outstanding appearance as figures. Although they don’t have to come with a DVD, that shouldn’t be a problem since Hasbro has released figures with CDs/DVDs containing some of the classic cartoons recently.

Hasbro: We plan on officially addressing our stance on vehicles this year at Toy Fair. Until then we just ask that you bear with us.

TWO!!!


Will there be any equipment packs, like the ones from the 1980's? With web gear, pistols, machine guns and accessories?

I think it is the Battle Packs I remember. Currently there are no plans for this. Thanks for the suggestion.

Three!!

Is it possible to include a second pair of hands, for figures who have stylized hand poses such as Destro's briefcase-carrying hand, or Shipwreck's closed fist?

We will forward this suggestion to the design team and see what they can come up with in the future.

FOUR!!!

When will GI Joe get the cute lil "Hero" treatment like every other one of Hasbro's action figure brands?

We are exploring different expressions of GI Joe as part of the movie line. Given the success of Galactic Heroes, Superhero Squad, and Robot Heroes we will look into this for 2009

Five!!!

3. Any plans to include cartoon decoed action figures (green shirted Flint, hatless Lady Jaye with no cap) with cartoon DVDs as done earlier with the Joe vs Cobra series?


Answer: Great Idea. We are looking into this already and hope to have some more defined news at ToyFair.

six!!!


5. Will the red logo, black masked, Cobra Trooper from the first Cobra 5-pack ever be released single carded?


Answer: Thanks for the idea, we will look into this.

seven!!!


Oi!

More bashing;

Q.. A follow-up to question 2. Are there plans to take this line as far as the original 80's line?

A. There is nothing we would like to see more than the anniversary line to have the same success we had in the 80's.

yeah, we're just not gonna have a comic, cartoon, the TV Commercial blitz on every saturday morning..oh, and if you own old figures and vehicles, better throw them all out and buy our new $hit, because the new ones don't fit in the old vehicles........



Q2. Will any of the 5-pack figures be released on single cards?

A: This is something we are looking at for 2008. We want to offer these figures carded but at the same time we also want to offer new figures to keep everyone involved and excited.


Like new and improved versions of Duke, Cobra Commander and Snake eyes.....oh, and we have a new Storm Shadow coming out....

Last "New" figures I saw were Major Barrage!


Q3. Since Lady Jaye & Serpentor are due out, does that mean that a character's current status in the comics doesn't matter in terms of their likelihood of being released?

A: That is true. The 25th celebrates the past 25 years. It is not meant to be a snap shot at this point in time. Nothing in the history of RAH is off limits.


Except the molds and the figures themselves! And these new figures being compatible with the old ones.....


Cool Toy Review: What are the chances of a series of single carded figures based on the comic books? I'd love a 25th Anniversary styled Scar Face, Fred, Billy, Hard Master, Soft Master, and other origin Snake Eyes characters.

Hasbro: There is a chance that some of these will make it into the comic 2-packs, but unlikely they will be single carded.

Are you serious? Why make these Characters? God, we have molds for Duke, Snake eyes, Cobra commander and as long as we keep repainting them and re-issuing them...the sheep will keep buying them! New figures...(*SKOFF*)!!


Will there ever be a realease of just Army Builders, that include six seperate yet identical figures all with the same accessories, without any Cobra Commander(s) or Storm Shadow(s)?


As announced at JoeCon we will have troop building packs at TRU. Some items will have 4 troopers and one character; others will have 5 troopers (usually 4 troopers and an officer)

Yeah, we really LISTEN to fans! the answer would have been NO! We have NO PLANS for STRICTLY ARMY BUILDER PACKS!!!








4.Ask them if there creative team ever comes to joedios.com

We check out almost all the fan sites on occasion, including dios. We
also keep an eye on the boards to hear what is going on.


yet we NEVER heard this on ANY board before;


Will there be any equipment packs, like the ones from the 1980's? With web gear, pistols, machine guns and accessories?

I think it is the Battle Packs I remember. Currently there are no plans for this. Thanks for the suggestion.

One last one......


5. How do they decide on what products and prototypes they put into production, for instance, test groups, surveys, etc. and how can you
volunteer to be a part of it?

The Joe Team works with a variety of test groups to decide what products we put into production. We also have some of the biggest Joe fans right here in the Hasbro officers. But, Thanks for the offer, we know where to find you.

Thank you very much for sharing your silly assed love of our over priced, shoddy products with us, but why on earth would we let our clueless, over paid, over educated marketing and sales research and development team be infected with a stupid idea like "What do you fans really want and what will actually sell!"??? They, unlike you are super smart, paid well and have no love of toys, therefore they will guide us in making the RIGHT decision on what to force down your throats, and line our greedy pockets, you mindless sheep....and don't forget...it doesn't have to be good, but Only GI Joe, is GI Joe...so BUY HASBRO!!!Or you're a traitor to the cause!!!


Sorry.....had to be said!!! LOL!!

Stop it Frank, you're killing me! :D I noticed the same thing, all of their answers seem to be non-committal, and many of them don't even really answer the question. How many times can they say "Currently there are no plans for..." or "we'll look into that" or "many new concepts are being developed". Talk about a waste of time, it's like trying to get a straight answer out of a politician! :rolleyes:

lol your answers were much much better frank

Great idea!











As IF they didn't already consider this. I guess it takes a fan or whatever to mention it and H's like, "well, there must be SOME interest..." Still, I'd rather see arms that can bend further.

No shit! I took a class on "the Psychology of Creativity" in College and one thing we learned was that all good "think Tanks" brainstorm ideas first. But these guys at Hasbro have nadda clue what we want! WTF? Who do you have working in your MArketing Research department? Ben Stien? hell, he could get better results on what fans want than you! WTF?? These guys (i'll bet dollars to doughnuts!) are paid high 5 to low six figure salaries and are totally clueless.....

They say "We also have some of the biggest Joe fans right here in the Hasbro officers" GIVE ME A FRIGGIN BREAK!!! What kind of fans doesn't know we been screaming for accessory packs since they quit selling them in what? 86? You're right Craig, these PR guys are Lawyers and Politicians......

That's why the 3 out of the last 4 purchases for my collection haven't been GI Joe OR Hasbro (Chap Mei, Sub 5 figures and the Elite forces truck...the fourth was the Iron Mechs!) They don't listen...they don't care and for being in charge of a line of toys, they act like even tey don't know what's goin on!!

I wonder if they do visit JoeDios...

Hmmm... I just checked and we have no registered members with "hasbro" in their email address. :(

Registered.
 

Just because they aint registered doesn't mean to say they don't visit.

I wholeheartedly agree with Frank & Outrider.. bottom line is if fans stopped buying the pish they released.. they'd either close the line down alltogether or go back to o-ring.
I still think the main problem here is that most fans/collectors are pushed and driven by the hype of the line and the notoriety of getting hold of certain figures.

I'm also kind of like frank in the sense my last lot of purchases hasn't been GIJOE either. I figure i'd only be supporting something financially i don't agree with or like.

I have been however working on some RAH customs. :o

i dont buy them because of the hype, i buy them because i like the 25th. i now have some joes i never saw as a kid. and even though they do have problems, i would rather have new figures that i like with a few mistakes, then none at all.

by the way, if anyone hasnt bought any joes since the first wave, give some of the newer ones a try. there much more playable then the first. they even fixed stalkers crotch a lot.