You are quite entitled to disagree with most of what you have read, just as you are entitled to your opinion on the 25th anniversary figures. All I ask is that you please don't dismiss the opinions of those who disagree with you with a "yawn". I'm happy for you that you like the new figures and will buy them. I don't like them (for clearly stated reasons) and so won't buy them. Hopefully we can all continue post our opinions here without being disrespected by those who disagree with us.

Disagree.. but comment why?
 

Thats cool and all but my post was really aimed at those who criticised without a comment to state why they were rubbish.. you in particular didn't really state on the first post I highlighted what was crap about them.. hold an opinion but at least back it up with something rather than a drama queen comment .. "Oh gosh R.I.P GIJOE" .. c'mon play ball.. I admit your follow up mentions
[[ exaggerated, farcical cartoonish caricatures.]] is the reason you wont be making a purchase but the vast majority here seem to be bandwagon jumping with stupid one line sentances.. which is pointless.. and utterly unproductive to the thread... hence my yawans.. .

What are Hasbro on?
 

The figures are fantastically well sculpted and look like amazing action figures. But the fundamental traditional aspects of G.I.JOE are lost on these figures. Things that make G.I.JOE the toy that it is.

I doubt I will say anything that hasn't been mentioned already.

I'm not sold on the articulation, I liked added articulation, but like in the Style of Depth Charge of Spytroops Snake Eyes. Not stupid looking chests... whats with that?

The sculpting is beautiful, no doubt about it, but whats with the daft proportions? Some of the VVV stuff looks better. I'd rather have awful figures like the VVV Tunnel Rat than figures that don't look like Joe's. I was in a sci-fi shop in Edinburgh a week ago. They had some of the new Hasbro offerings under the Marvel license. I'm sure I saw figures like the 25th anniv Joes, they might have been Fantastic Four. I can't remember. I'm sure they were blue though... They were 4 inches tall, give or take. Identical style articulation. It looked hideous compared with my beloved original style Joes. Even the new sculpt Joes from 2002 onward shared some design characteristics with those figures that came before it. I'm now very scared that what I saw is gonna be like the Joe's that are to come.

Tradition... Oh my, I thought Hasbro would have learned after the T-crotch fiasco... it seems not. The O-ring and customising possibilities of the pervious varied sculpts of Joe's have always been a hit with collectors. It seems we are losing the O-ring again. I wonder if there will be an uproar amongst collectors like there was years ago.

Again as some have pointed out, I can't see the old figures blending in with the new anniv line. The will look awful I think. Nothing in common at all.

It saddens me a lot that while these new action figures look fan-bloody-tastic, They will be sold as G.I.JOE because G.I.JOE, they most certainly ain't!

There is a great deal of hope that with these new style figures, G.I.JOE will be a force again in the toymarket like it was in the 80s. I hope so too. But I can only hope Hasbro doesn't forget the roots of the figure design entirely and stop selling old style O-ring figures. Which I fear will be the case.

I can't believe Hasbro have been so unfaithful to the design lineage of Joe. Perhaps its evolution. But to me Hasbro is using the 25th anniv to re launch the characters to kids. I'm in no doubt that the anniv line isn't for collectors. For me Hasbro have decided that the current figures aren't working. I think its a case of Hasbro not working. So many wrong decisions between colour scemes, releases and lack of marketing. For me, H has taken it for granted that collectors will buy the 25th anniv line because they carry the Joe name. I know I for one will probably do so. Even though I don't like them and think they are awful. I will still probably buy them.

That my sound crazy given everything that came before in this post, but whether the sculpt was old or new, the ugly Star Brigade, or the Fabulous Night Force subteam of the 80s, or even the awful neon Eco Warriors, they were still Joe's, that was there for all to see. That gave me a huge sense of tradition and pride. But I just can't get that with these new figures. I'm left luke warm. Mostly because while they look like who they are supposed to be character wise, they don't look like Joe's.

I find that almost heart breaking.

Hasbro has pee'd on us from a great height. I have a feeling they will do again if these figures take off amongst kids.

RIP G.I.JOE? Perhaps not quite... But the original styled Joe's are probably deader than disco, as Cobra Commander would say.

Where does that leave collectors like me? I don't really know.

For me, Hasbro have turned what should have been the collectors line of Joe's into a major relaunch and retail offensive in the action figure market. The 25th anniv is just the excuse and publicity they need to get it going.

For sure, Hasbro have let the die hard collector down. But in saying that some die hard collectors will buy it anyway, like me most likely! :eek:

Anyway this post is huge and I'm leaving it there.

Good luck to Hasbro with the new anniv line. If they thought collectors let them down with the DTC stuff, I think the majority will pass this stuff up too. Hasbro may well be in for a shock. Why didn't Hasbro just stick to something more traditional. The thought of the 25th anniv has kept me going through these dark quiet DTC months. If I knew Hasbro were going to do this I wouldn't have got my hopes up. I was a fool to get them up anyway I suppose! I should have known better!

Dave

WOW Dave, VERY nicely put!!!! My hat's off to you......... :cool:

I am betting they will be in scale with the Marvel Legends Showdown figs since construction looks to be very similar. Also, Hasbro has compared the new construction the that of their Super Articulated Clone Trooper so I am saying they will be very close to the 3.75" scale.

Jings Scarlett, I thought it was daft unstructured long winded ranting, but I think I got my feelings and points across. Thats all I cared about! :D

No planning went into it. I typed what I think/thought. So I appologise for the length etc.

I loved yer Declassified comic by the way! :cool:

Dave

Well, just typing what you feel is always the best way to go!! ;)

And thanks!! I'm pretty fond of it m'self!!! :)

What's wrong with you guys???

We're GI Joe fans! We're supposed to blindly buy what Hasbro makes without question or thought! This I command!

*snicker snicker*

"RIP GI Joe" was a statement of my feelings; if this is the style of GI Joe to come, then for me it is RIP GI Joe as I won't buy them and will be out of the hobby for good. As for drama queen, I'll assume you didn't mean it, and let that one slide for now out of respect for everyone else who posts here. If this is the kind of attitude that will prevail in these forums from now on, where people don't respect other's opinions and resort to childish name calling, then I'm outta here. Adios!

They look like 3 3/4 inch S6 or some kinda Japanese toy from a MAnga Comic. I wanted them at first but after seeing the pics without the "Hasbro" lighting and artistry,(hasbro make their "crap" look good? Say it aint so!!) I'm gonna have to pass. They look horrible to me. I may get them (out of Loyalty to the GI Joe Brand, NOT TO HASBRO or this crappy product they put out!) , but I honestly don't think I'll use them. Like Sonneilon said, articulation is good if done right. But Gung Ho looks like John Basedow. (you know, that constant hunch so his muscles seem tight in his abs..ever notice that in his commercials? Like he only half came out of cave-man stage?)

These may be production models, and it may have crappy photography, but the truth of the matter is, they'd need a Major, MAJOR overhaul to get me to sing their praises! Blah! :(

Out of what?
 

You'll let what slide?.. I used the ''word drama queen'' because thats how I saw it.. I already explained in my post my original comments were for the fact nobody but one or two appeared to have explained their feelings.. to touch on this further Outrider.. you only have to look at Dave's [G.I.Jock] post to see what I was really looking for....

Dave had the deceny to comment.. and he done it with the integrity and spoke of his opinion with his true feeling.. where as your initial post just resorted to say G.I.Joe will be dead because the figures are crap.. and not post anything to back up those statements.. I feel is utterly pointless.. it wasn't just you.. there was others initially that posted one or two sentances making snide comments without backing up why they thought the product was so poor. Is that really so childish of me to point this out... ?

I did give my reasons why I dislike these figures, but that is irrelevant. You have obviously missed my point completely. It's not about differing opinions, it's about respect. I'm not wasting anymore of my time, this is my final post. Goodnight & God bless, this is Outrider signing off.

Goodnight then... things I like...
 

:rolleyes: G'night then...
ok things I do like about the 25th Anniversary figures..
Added articulation.. I really think these figures will be great in dio's or animations.. the way they have been made set them up perfectly for anims.. movement around the waist, wrists and ankles and the design of the actual characters is really :cool: looking.

I do understand the fact people say certain ones have articulation thats then limited but maybe with these figures it will boil down to having them in your hands first. I also am willing to at least give them a try.. I aint too keen on roadblock having blue eyes.. but maybe I can see past that..
I've heard many comments on the baroness.. her looks etc.. I think H could of done a much better job with her face.. but again.. pre production models.. could be changed right?
I also have to add I really like the MARS Briefcase that Destro has.. that head of his looks a little small.. however I think it only looks that way cos of the width and design of his collar.

Movig onto the actual release... whats the style.. Is there going to be 10 in a box and 15 on single cards or what? Do we know which ones are going to be carded yet?

Nem. The 1st 10 will be broken into 5-packs. 5 Joes. 5 Cobra. They will each come in a box w/ a sound device that will be playing the Sunbow GI Joe theme. These will be released June/July as per Justin at ToyFair. Box set will be $25.

The 'last' 15 will be released, we assume, August/Sept as single cards. Characters are only speculation; we don't actually know who will be made. Singles will be $6.

My public apology.
 

Hey Outrider, I'd just like to say.. everything what I said recently.. I'm sorry.. ok?

I would accurately disect my last few posts and go into the intricacies of why I done what i done.. and why I said what I said.. for the best part of me I think I am pretty much resigned.. when I get involved in something .. my frustration leads me to post "attacking attitude" kind of posts.. this isnt really who I am and neither who I aspire to be.. unfortunately for now I cannot really do anything about it..

I've been told by a friend that I should change my offensive attitude and words used.. unfortunately its not that easy.. my frustrations with life and my current standing are often reflected in these "attitude" style posts.. and I only really reflect after the damage has been done... or someone tries to point them out..

My best is I can only apologise directly to Outrider publicly and to anyone offended seriously by my posts.. I really am sorry..
It remains one of my biggest character flaws.. and I really can't see it changing in the next year or so.. my best would be to stop posting and just contribute to viewing and rating pictures..

I'll be around.. but considering I've probably upset the majority here.. I don't think I'll be missed so much.

So again.. I am really sorry to Outrider.. and obviously sorry to anyone who read my previous posts on this subject.
Sorry.
Richard.

Richard,

Please don't stop posting just because of one set of posts on a thread. Everybody has 'bad days'.....hell even I have 'em!!! But I for one (and again, I can only speak for myself-the rest can agree, disagree or agree TO disagree with me), enjoy your comments on pics & threads!!! You took a HUGE step in revealing what you just did in your latest post. That shows that you are willing to admit and apologize for 'putting a nose out of joint'....and that's no easy feat!

So don't stop just for this, please. You have a very valued opinion in this forum, truly. If you find yourself teetering again, then just opt to say nothing. But don't not ever say anything again. That would be a serious loss to this community......

Peace,
Prudence

Agreed.

To publicly appologise was very big of you. Not an easy thing either. I'm glad you did though. You have a fine repuation amongst the Joe collecting world, as well as being immensely well respected. It would be a pity if you lost that or people thought harshly of you, over a few mistakes. Especially in the forum environment.

This is a bit of a subject as well, the 25th anniv. Passions are kinda running high.

So it's likely over the next few months we might see the best and the worst in eachother over the subject.

Some collectors love the stuff, some like me, feel they have been pished on by Hasbro.

A few fellow collectors have noticed that things are kinda weird just now in the Joe community, maybe theres a full moon or something? :D

Once again, well done for appologising publicly. It's very comendable.

Dave

Outrider,


I just got done really re-reading the posts in this entire thread. Were you really serious?!?!?!? I don't want to get all 'girly', but I don't want to miss you in this forum!!! I have enjoyed your pics, posts & humor!! Please don't let the thoughts of one person prevent you from enjoying this forum or the people in it.

I hope you reconsider, I was just getting to know you...I wouldn't want to see you go, especially over this.....

Peace,
Prudence

Just so everyone is aware; I unreservedly accept Richard's apology. To apologise publicly is a brave thing to do, and he should be applauded. It was as much my fault for being over sensitive as it was Richard's fault, so don't blame him. The last thing I would ever want to do would be to upset people, and I personally apologise to Richard, or anyone else, that was offended by my posts. I should have listened to my wife, who wisely said "just leave it", but typically I let my hard headedness take over. Talk about dumb! Like Richard, I have some real world troubles at the moment, and everything came to a head at once. Whilst that is no excuse, I'm only too human.

That's what I love about this board. We all respect one another, and I think everyone here gets along really well. The fact that emotions are running so high over these little pieces of plastic just shows how much everyone here cares about the G.I. Joe brand, and the fact that you were willing to make peace with one another shows that unlike certain other collecting communities, those who follow the banner of G.I. Joe are able to let bygones be bygones.

Anyway, it's great to see you guys make up. Sometimes you just need a few days to cool off.

So with peace now returned to JoeDios, hopefully this means we won't be losing either of you, right??

25th Joes
 

I just want you guys to know that I value all your opinions and look forward to seeing them on Joe related issues. Keep em comin!!!

You guys are gonna love this.

We all know that there will be 25 figures for the 25th Anniversary. Justin dug up some more info and prepared a report over on the JBL (well, GeneralJoes). There's been a lot of discussion of whether we would be getting 25 single characters or 25 figures. As Hasbro has been saying it, us fans will be getting 25 figures. If you read that literally, that means 'we' could be getting a treatment of the v2 Snake Eyes and a hooded Cobra Commander.

Just food for thought.

General Hawk's ToyFair report, 2007


Will there only be 25 figures? - Early plans are indeed for 25 figures to celebrate the 25th Anniversary. And yes, that is 25 figures, not 25 characters. However, so far response from retailers and collectors both has been outstanding, and the doors are wide open for other future releases. Please consider, though, while 25 figures is a nice round number to celebrate the anniversary, it is not an absolute limit, and I'm sure Hasbro designers are eagerly anticipating bringing some more great items out in the 25th Anniversary style.

So, can we expect multiple versions of the same character in that 25 figure number? - Yes, there will be multiple versions of certain central characters included within that 25 figure limit.

Considering the amount of molded-on accessories, couldn't they have just done interchangeable visors and chest gear to change Snake-Eyes from his v1 to his v2, and just do CC like his VvV figure with interchangeable helmet and hood with a mask underneath?

As soon as I saw that they're doing Snake-Eyes v1, I just assumed we would at least get another version of him. Version 2 is, after all, probably his best-known look and it would make little sense for Hasbro not to do that too. I still think swappable heads would be the way to go for Cobra Commander, but I've been sort of expecting a second version of that figure as well.

I'm not sure how they can do more versions of the others though... I mean, if the purpose of this project is to make, as many have surmised, the most "iconic" versions of these characters, then who besides Snakes and CC has more than one iconic look? Possibly an Iron Grenadiers Destro, but that's really all I can come up with...



Sweet! I'm going to be at Comic-Con!

The rumor mill is up and running again.

-MasterCollector newsletter should be out soon. There should be pictures of the Cobra Officer, v2 SE, v2 Stormy and hooded CC.

-The question of figure scale might be answered. It's believed that the figures will be in-scale to each other. For example, Roadblock could be over 4" to represent that he's a big mofo and Scarlet (being female) would be a touch under 3.75".

-The MOTH IV set is supposedly a Snow Viper and Ice Viper or something of that sort.

Those are just rumors and speculations. Those who are in the club will know for sure in a few days, I'm sure.

Another Snake Eyes, another Storm Shadow, another Cobra Commander? Please Hasbro, enough is enough! Just pick ONE version of each character. They really have made a mess of this whole 25th anniversary thing, haven't they? :mad:

You know, THIS is what sucks about this toy line..........
For the love of god, with all the character's available, PICK SOMEONE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!


UUGGHHH!!!!!!!!!

So the Cobra Trooper is in a 5-pack with a bunch of unique characters, while the Officer is going to be available on an individual card.

Yeah, smart move there, Hasbro...

Actually, it is believed that the Cobra Trooper will also show up single-carded, eventually. I know, there's some weird logic behind it and I'm just getting stuff from the JBL.

Personally, I'm glad to be getting a second Snake-Eyes and Cobra Commander. Mind you, I would've preferred swappable heads for CC and just SE v2, but I really need a hooded CC in some form from this set, and the same goes for Snake-Eyes version 2. So if the only way to get those versions of those characters is to have two of each of them, I'll be happy with what I'm getting.

Storm Shadow v2, however, is another story. His original look is his classic look! Does anyone honestly think of version 2 when they're imagining Storm Shadow? I guess it's possible, but I always figured v1 was what would be ingrained in all our minds. Of course, this could also be because I like his Ninja Force costume better than his v2 costume. Black & white is so much cooler than blue & white!

I really have no opinion on Cobra Officer either way since I'm betting it'll just be a repaint of Cobra Trooper with a different head and straps.

Overall, yeah, I'm somewhat disappointed with repetition this early in the process, but: A.) We need different versions of a couple of these guys, and B.) Does anyone honestly expect Hasbro not to do repeats and three-peats??

I just mean it's a bit daft to have the Officer in a more army-buildable single pack, when they should be outnumbered by the Troopers in their command. Buggered if I'm buying multiple 5-packs just to get more Troopers, so hopefully the single-card rumour's true!

Just read on JoeCustoms that the new issue of Lee's Action Figure Review has a pic of these four figures plus Flint. Here's the quote:



I can see these working for the most part. However, I would think Storm Shadow might also have Duke's arms instead of his own, since Duke v1's sleeves were partially rolled up like Storm Shadow v2's. Also, I would hope Flint does not use Duke's arms since his sleeves should be up to his biceps rather than his forearms.

Anyway, they sound pretty good overall, as far as part re-using goes. The magazine is too expensive for me to buy it for this one reason, but I do plan to look for it tomorrow to try and see the pics.

I've seen the light on the JBL. They're cool and all but Flint looks long-torso'd to me.

They're all just repaints.
Flint is Duke with new gear and a new head. (explains the long sleeves)
Snake-Eyes is the first one with new gear and a new head.
Storm Shadow is the first one with new gear and a new head. (explains the short sleeves)
Cobra Commander, pretty obvious.
And the Officer is just a trooper with new gear and a new head. (explains the kneepads which the officer never had)

Weak.

2nd page of the MC Newsletter post.

And Jay, "weak" is an understatement. Sure, reused bodies can work and repaints and blah blha blah... But Hasbro tried to make it a point that they were doing all new molds and they'll have the most articulation ever. Now, I need to go back and read the official Hasbro blurb. Because maybe, just maybe, Hasbro's sneaky wordmeisters phrased it more like, "The 1st 10 figures will have unique molds" and everyone else will be rehashed!

This summer, Hasbro will release 25 collectible 3 3/4" figures to celebrate the 25th Anniversary of G.I. JOE VS. COBRA.

Featured below are the first ten action figures to be revealed.

Sure to delight fans both new and old, 25th Anniversary Figures are all new sculpts and the most detailed and articulated G.I. JOE figures ever!

Click on action figure to see larger image, and see 25TH ANNIVERSARY and HISTORY for more information!

Ok. If we dissect this bad boy... It says that there will be 25 figures, not characters. And it also says that the 25th Anniversary Figs will be all new sculpts but it doesn't specify that EACH figure will be a nu skulpt, right? This just means that Hasbro chooses their words carefully. Now, how many of us actually looked at it this way, said something, but as usual, it was dismissed?

Not that it really matters to me, I wasn't planning on buying any. I'm just not surprised Hasbro decided to go the cheap way like that again...

Oh well.
I'll just finish my ARAH collection instead.

I have to say, I was anticipating some repaints in this line, so I'm not that worked up about it. As has been pointed out elsewhere, the original 1982 line was built on only a few parts. Many of the figures even has the same heads! In a way, this is almost a fitting anniversary tribute to that, if you think about it.

Mind you, I'm not saying I wouldn't have preferred all new sculpts, but knowing Hasbro, I just wasn't expecting it, so I didn't get my hopes up that high to begin with. I still think they look good, and I'm sure there will be some more new sculpts showing up in the final ten figures.

It was also believed these would all be unique sculpts, especially as far as characters went. So I'm not holding my breath for single carded troopers.

I'm seeing "business as usual" here. Not that surprising, but not a good thing.

Swapping heads does not a Snake-Eyes v2 make. The boot are wrong for one thing. Likewise Storm Shadow's arms are wrong and he's still got the sandals. The vintage tribute and update theme fans saw in 25th anniversary has been mangled for economics.

Cobra Officer's got knee pads, has no distinct cuffs, the collar is mix of trooper and officer.

Only Cobra Commander is "right". And he still should've been saved for wave 3 at least (assuming this is wave 1 of single cards).

Flint...the sleeves are wrong. I suppose the rest is passable, depending on how decent Duke is. Still, for a popular character to be little more than a new head...Flint deserved more.

And really, if they were gonna do this, why go right to doing second versions of the main characters as soon as possible? Why not use Snake-Eyes parts for Grunt or Stalker or even Zap or Breaker?

If this is the first wave. It's like we are right back the repaints and redo's of the same "core" characters mode that sapped a lot of ethusiasm out of both the 2002-2005 new sculpts and the RAH reissues. 15 figures, only 10 characters plus two cobra troops that are very, very similar.