I love added articulation if it's done right. But these don't look right and the figures aren't doing it for me anymore. THe proto shots were much better than these. I'm guessing these will be the production models w/ very small tweaks.

Dio-wise, I need the articulation. WHich is why I love the S6 stuff. Plus, the bigger scale is nice too. Trying to do a sword fight scene w/ the 3.75" is a headache. Especially when they don't have the swivel wrists. I admit, I kinda wish they stayed with o-ring. Ankles are nice, but not necessary.

Not impressed, well, less ethusiastic actually, still won't know if I'll like them or buy them until I see them in person. :rolleyes: Yes, these are not production samples, probably, but still it's poor showing.

Cobra Commander has the retro weapon plug-in spot on his ack, which looks strange now. And his left hand appears to be a solid fist.

Duke, what the heck is up with his upper chest? Man breasts?

Destro still looks odd, his neck bolts seem overdone.

Roadblock, ye gods! I thought they just slapped Duke's head on there! He appears to have hair on his head and blue eyes?

Baroness...there's no great figure of her. I have feeling this will not change.

Gung-Ho and Roadblock had stupid eblow arm bands...to hide the articulation? Or what? Seriously, they look out of place.

Storm Shadow, yeah, broad shoulders guarantee limited arm poses...all the articulation points in the world are meaningless if they are hindered.


No o-rings, but they kept screws in the legs. :confused:

And another loooooong wait till summer...wake me up then.

Gotta disagree with the majority here. I'll admit, those pictures make them look pretty bad, but the photography is sub-par. Check out General Hawk's pics to see them photographed much better. The articulation is a little weird in places, and they do look a little on the thin side, but... Their heads! Their bright colors! They look like cartoon characters, and I love it! I do think the painters got carried away with the giant eyes, but I doubt the final products will look like that.

Cobra Commander is a masterpiece, and Destro has really, really grown on me. His head doesn't look as tiny as the original proto shot that we saw. Duke's head looks a lot better than the proto too, and I really like Scarlett's head. It looks so energetic. Also, it almost looks like Cobra Commander's helmet is removable! Possible hood accessory, anyone? The trooper's helmet looks like it might come off too. Still can't tell about Gung-Ho's hat though...

Anyway, I was a little let down after those first pics, but after seeing Hawk's, I'm psyched again. But I think we've established that I have different taste in G.I. Joe than a lot of the rest of you, so I'll be happy to agree to disagree.

D'oh! Didn't update this to show off Justin's shots! Nutzenzola...

holy cowwwww roadblock with hair and blue eyes come onn :mad: n......

I thought the same about the trooper; not sure on CC, but the helmet has something that makes you think it might be possible. On the other hand I don't think Gung-Ho's hat is remobable, as the head is clearly cut under it.

As for Roadblock's eyes, notice that all the figures but Baroness have blue eyes; there is still hope for it to be simply a random color used for these protos.

What I most dislike is Scarlet's neck: too long; and Destro's legs look a bit weird, as well as the "neck collar" of his helmet.

For the most part, I think they look better then the initial pics. But there are a couple that left me going "WTF". For instance Roadblock. He is missing his facial hair and he has hair on his head and he is smiling??? Then there is the Baroness...man shes ugly. Then they throw out Destro who looks plain fantastic as well as Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow. I'll pick them all up though.

Toyfair 25th figs
 

To me, the figs aren't gonna appeal to everyone. However, I'll probably get all of them just to have them. The Storm Shadow and Cobra trooper are alright and the rest are so so. I don't like the articulation in the ankles and removable wrists. Depth Charge would have been a cooler figure without that stuff. Anyway, I'll take the gruel that Hasbro serves up. It's better than nothing, ya know. One thing I learned in life is that you're not always gonna get exactly what you want. If you expect less, life will seem more pleasant. i.e. these new figs

LOL!

I agree that Hasbro can't and won't make people happy, but I just feel they could've done a very different job. As it stands, I'll probably buy these. Maybe 2 of each; 1 moc and 1 loose. I do like Destro, SE and Gung Ho. The Cobra Trooper's been moved pretty far back. :( CC is still at the end.

Yeah, I agree. But I can still hold out hope!



If you don't mind my asking-- Why? He's probably my personal favorite out of the whole bunch!

As for other comments-- I agree that they probably slopped some blue paint on all of them because it was likely all they had handy for these mock-ups. I would be willing to bet real money that the production figures will have different colored (and better painted) eyes.

Likewise for Roadblock... I'd say it's entirely possible that they didn't have the mock-up's head ready so they stuck someone else's head on the body. A sloppy way to do it, yes, but what else might they have done aside from show us a headless figure?

I agree the Baroness looks nerdy... But isn't that part of her look? She's everyone's favorite nerdy bad girl!

...Or at least, she's mine anyway...

It seems like every version of CC has been a slight evolution of the original design. Other than this one seems to have a big head, he's just boring looking. Now, one could say that Scarlet is equally as boring and I'd agree. The designs of 1981 (you gotta figure the design process is 80 or 81 and then released in 82) were pretty conservative. Which is fine and all and it's nice that Hasbro is giving them the modern day sculpting but CC looks just like CC. Nothing dramatic in terms of changes. I had hopes and personal ideas on how the 25th should go.

I prefer my black VvV CC over the 25th one.

Maybe, just maybe, if CC were hooded, I'd like him better.

So the things you dislike about him are the exact same things I do like about him. That actually makes sense to me. I love that he's basically an exact re-creation of v1, but I can definitely see how someone who would like to see new takes on these characters might not go for it.

I think maybe the problem is that I don't see any improvement on this one. Like Gung Ho has bigger grenades, Snake Eyes has a tighter sculpt, Scarlet is more babalicious, Duke's eyes are close together, you get the idea. I guess what I want is definitive versions but I need to be able to use 'em in a dio. I could see using Duke and Gung Ho but CC reminds me too much of the cartoon to take seriously.

I hear you. I think that's a problem a lot of people have with these guys, while, as I said, it's exactly what I do like about 'em. But like I said, to each their own. I can see how people who prefer their Joes realistic might not go for some of these. But to me, the cartoon look is the definitive look, so I'm pleased as punch.

how tall are these??

They're supposed to be 3.75" aka 1/18th scale.

How many of y'all really think they'll be that scale or closer to 4"? Or 6" or 8" or or or or or or

They sure as hell don't instill any confidence in me that they'll be 'to scale'.......

They looked like my son's 6" Spider-man. Can anyone speak to the mighty variance in Roadblock from the "artist's rendition" to the "toyfair pic"version? I mean please. Those headsculpts aren't even in the same geometrical strata!! And one has a sweet fancy .50 cal, while the other seems to have hijacked an over/under M-16/203 combo from Leatherneck. And I looked at the toyfair pics and Duke's and Roadblocks mugs look identical in cheek construction.

Hard to tell from a pic though. Anyone else have any thoughts!?
--appended comment--- never mind, I read back through all the pages, and I received your thoughts. I'm behind on my reading. Please forgive me since it was already covered.

Hey Joe... If you want a REAL trashing of people who don't read previous pages or even posts, check out the JBL. During ToyFair, people were getting thrashed for 2x and 3x posting of the same stuff. At least here, I didn't get 3-5 stupid posts of people posting, "PICS FROM TOYFAIR" and then a link to Justin. ANd TNI. And whoever else! In that way, it's nicer that this place is smaller.

This is going to sound completely juvenile but I don't mind.......

Just take the 'ORIGINAL' molds, remanufacture the worn out or missing ones (I mean honestly, NO ONE has a freakin' blueprint?!!?!?!? That's just a regoddamned ridiculoulsy assinine thing to think!!) AND RE-RELEASE THE 'TRUE ORIGINAL' G.I. JOE FIGURES FROM THE LAST 25 YEARS............

Stop with all this 'NEW' crap.....................


I'm going to go to the post office now...........peace!!! :p

It's been stated by Hasbro that they HAVE lost several molds over the years. The main story is that Hasbro lent out a whole lot of molds and they were 'lost'. Be it they fell off a freight ship, stolen, resold to another company by the company it was lent to, etc. Tis the reason why a lot of the vehicles never got made again. Particularly the Skystriker.

Oh I know-in fact Jay & I are conversing about this over in 'No more 3 packs'.

My whole thing is that there is NO ONE who has a blueprint somewhere to re-manufacture the molds???? I just cannot believe this....it's too too stupid to comprehend!!

Sell the blueprints on Ebay-or I'll just learn how to make 'em & share the glory with all of 'my guys'!!!!

I didn't catch that thread until this one. Jay's right on all points. WHich means, he can be a minister of information here too!

I'll assume Jay mentioned this, but to create new molds, it is really expensive. Now, I don't know why it'd cost bundles, but there's talk that it's literally 10s of thousands of dollars to do the molds. And they are heavy. It wouldn't be cost effective to create new molds for something they won't profit from. I'm looking at you, DOC!!! :P

I didn't catch that thread until this one. Jay's right on all points. WHich means, he can be a minister of information here too!

I'll assume Jay mentioned this, but to create new molds, it is really expensive. Now, I don't know why it'd cost bundles, but there's talk that it's literally 10s of thousands of dollars to do the molds. And they are heavy. It wouldn't be cost effective to create new molds for something they won't profit from. I'm looking at you, DOC!!! :P

And let's face it, Hasbro's crew will also play favorites. You think they remember Doc?

Blah, blah, blah-they contract this crap out to third world countries & use it as a tax write off when they don't 'recoup' their costs (whch BTW they ALWAYS do, they market all over the world for god's sake!!!)

All I'm saying is that ANYTHING is possible & these people should really take their heads out of their @$$es long enough to see that!! But they won't and we'll all just spend our time bitchin' about it................

I'm sorry for injecting a woman's perspective into this.........please forgive

...but I like gritty Joes! :( Seriously though, it is an expensive process to make new molds or dies. The last die we had made at work several years ago cost us over $10,000 Aus (around $8,000 US). Alot of the expense is in the precision required and the metal that is used, as it has to be specially hardened. So if you think along the lines that to recreate an old figure with new dies, with 10 or 15 body parts, that's a lot of cash to outlay for a figure which might not sell well. :eek:

So don't get a raise for a quarter!! They make more money than their ever going to spend already!!!!!




WOW!! I need to get out of the house-RIGHT NOW!!!!

:D

I know, Craig. I like the gritty too. But for some reason, a lot of the internet fans don't. I'm not sure why. I think if Joe (not cobra) went back to hard military, it'd sell better. But then, it might look like Corps or BBI stuff. That's not so good.

Lehsreh. The original CC had a funky cut out to put his laser gun on. We are assuming that the 25th CC has it too.

As for the paint schemes, these are still prototypes. I'm sure Justin wrote up a report somewhere. THere'll be small changes here and there but for the most part, those are the figures we are getting. I totally agree that the figures do NOT look better than the Hasbro mock-ups. Consider this too. Justin's pics are faaaaaaar better than any other websites so now you can really see the negatives.

And yet, I'll still get these. Probably do another Joeverse for these. Like most of the figures that have been released, these need to be in YOUR hand for a real opinion. Hasbro has had a really bad time advertising their figures, imo. Take Major Barrage. Boring looking on the screen. MOC pics aren't all that neat either. But once you have him, he's really cool. Then again, you can't save Link Talbot any way you try! lol

Upcoming info for 25th joes
 

Dude, Hacker was on Cobra island with Jinx, Mercer, Sci Fi, Flash, and Mainframe in the Cobra civil war between the coil and Cobra Commander's forces. YAWWN!!

Hacker showed up? He got shot, didn't he? Thanks for the correction!

Upcoming Info for 25th figures
 

Why yes, yes he did. Too bad it wasn't a catastrophic wound. You'd think the Coil woulda shot his stupid glasses off his head. Instead the shmucks at DD had to kill Flash and Mainframe. Sometimes you gotta wonder what the hell people are thinking. :confused:

I think Gung Ho, Snake eyes, storm shadow, cobra trooper, and Destro are great. That puts H at 50%, not too bad I would say. The other figs are cool enough; I will own them all. I really hope they single pack the troopers though.

You know what? If this is the future of GI Joe, I'd rather it didn't come back. Better to die with some dignity than to pump out exaggerated, farcical cartoonish caricatures. I doubt very seriously that I will waste my hard earned on the 25th anniversary rubbish. The money I save by not buying them can go towards army building some decent figures.

Yawans...Oh dear..
 

*Yawans* Oh dear.. oh dear oh dear.. I can't believe I've just read 4 pages of people complaining.. and to think after seeing the pictures myself I thought people might back them.. here is what I saw so far on the thread..

[damn i dont like them , too much articulation] - wtf?

[Now with these pics I am just really, really disappointed.......... ] Disappointed at what?

[Man. I'm lost for words. I had my doubts before, but these pics have confirmed my worst fears. This 25th stuff looks C-R-A-P. Very, very disappointing. R.I.P. 3 3/4" Joe.] Oh the drama.. RIP G.I.JOE? I don't think its as bad as that.

[They look different than the original photos. Another example of poor execution on Hasbro's part. Yuck] - it seems you wasted a post just to jump on the bandwagon.

I have to disagree with most of the above comments.. things like damn I dont kike them.. too much articulation.. jeez.. at least break it down and tell us why you dont like them? You wasted a post to put like one sentance. :rolleyes:

As far as these figures go.. anything with added articulation.. I'm going to give a chance.. and.. as for the actual size and figures.. I really think these might become quite popular.. and collectable. I'm still excited by the prospect of getting some newer joes in the summer.. and as already mentioned in the thread here.. it will be interesting if anything to see how they fit to scale with the other figures currently out there. Roadblock with blue eyes and a smile is a new one on me but nothing to get in a hissy fit about.


*sorry Nem, i had to make your size a bit bigger...*

Speaking from my personal point of view, it's not that I HATE them per say, I just do not see them interacting with my current collection. I'll end up buying them, I mean they are G.I. Joe after all, but they are going to sit in their wrappings. I'm really old fashioned on something like this. I used my allowance & holiday money growing up to buy the G.I. Joe toys that I now post her on this site......to me, these are not compatible. Their nice enough looking, don't get me wrong!! But in a world where I have NO CHOICE but to accept change, THIS is one change that as a woman & toy collector I don't have to like.........

That's my personal opinion..................as for everyone else......their on their own!!

Thanks, Nem! I'm glad to see at least someone else likes them! And I mean, likes 'em, as opposed to saying they don't like them but will buy them anyway.

As I've said, there are aspects of them that I don't like, but for the most part I think they're phenomenal, and how the line should have been relaunched in 2002.

Of course, once I get them in my hands I could suddenly decide that I hate them, but I really don't see that happening. I love how the entire Joe community seems to be rent asunder by these things though. It's kind of funny.

The mock-ups Hasbro gave us were pretty darn cool. But seeing the models at ToyFair (which are closer to the production models) leaves a lot to be desired. Sure, we can expect lil changes here and there but I'm just not feeling them as much as I did 2-3 weeks before ToyFair. The extra articulation is wonderful (imo), but the ankle joints don't quite look right. Like they could've done a better job blending things in. The SW Clone Troopers are wonderful like that.

I've decided I'll get them. And I'll probably do a whole 'nother 'verse 'or 'em unless they somehow look like they can fit in with the 2002-2005 figures. Hate 'em? No. But it's not what I expected in terms of production.