Originally Posted by Rambo

C'mon Ian! Hershel's was a diostory! a good one short dio.
And Death one is harmless.

Originally Posted by General Scarlett

I don't want to stir up a hornet's nest here, but let's grow up.


The simple fact is that 'common sense' needs to be employed at all times when dealing with a 'public forum' that is essentially owned by 1 person. Through the graciousness of Hammerfel we are all able to congregate and share pictures and stories and 'shoot the sh*t' on a daily basis.
While for the most part we're all 'grown up', we still need to remember that there are rules. And when someone pushes the envelope too far, they have to deal with the consequences.

Yes, its *fun* and lively to get involved in things that should stay private, but its also not cool to fan the flames and bash the people who have been tasked with keeping the peace. Believe me, I know.

While I've got nothing against anyone personally, I do know the people who were less than gracious toward me during my tenure here. And a number of them were people who were being nice to my face while stabbing me in the back. But I didn't hold a grudge against anyone. I let bygones be bygones and when I was asked by 'the powers that be' to come back and reclaim my place as a 'valued, veteran member', I agreed.

I've kept to myself and continued posting the same positive, encouraging posts that I've maintained from the beginning. But seeing this flame war being fanned, I feel the need to put my .03 in.

If people want to cause drama, you can't stop them. But by egging it on, you simply ensure its continuance. Look at what Matt did......when I left, he had opened-and been banned-by over a half dozen SN's. And we all know that most of the 'old guard' have more than one account here on JoeDios (a bonus that is not accepted on nearly every other Joe board)..so while lamenting the 'banning' of the SN gives some 'meat' to the boredom, its not like a different account can't be used (which has already been done in this thread).

I know that its fun to jump on the bandwagon and get into everybody else's business, but when all the facts are not known, it just serves to derail a good site and its members from the purpose of said site. Let the affected parties hash it out via PM's and don't get involved in business that doesn't concern you personally.

The fact that people were complaining (or whatever happened), shows that it was done by some who have taken the 'high road' and gone along the proper channels to inform the staff of whatever questionable actions were going on (I don't know about the picture in question, I had only seen the thumbnail and didn't get a chance to click on it before it was taken down). Irregardless, as some have stated, there is a flickr account, so the shot can (most likely) be viewed there.


So, everybody should just go back to doing what this site is REALLY all about-taking pictures of plastic army men........

'Nuff Said!

Originally Posted by Death_at_Midnight

Here's my .02 cents:

Sonneilon has a tough job to do. He is not the type ban someone lightly.

As a former site moderator myself, moderating is a tough job, especially to volunteer for. I've had to ban ppl in the past: some I had to act quickly because the site had a live chat component--there were hackers, and there were times when the only way to ban a hacker was to ban everyone from that user's address, reguardless of the innocent. And it had always left me with an ugly feeling.

Yet often times the site itself has to come first because there are other ppl here. Some are children. JD has no mechanism for parental controls or any movie-style rating/warning, and often times what is one person's standard of morality is not the standard of another. JD is an international site, and there are things done in the US culture that does not translate well to other cultures. In many ways, the mod has to stick with the lowest common denominator that is acceptible for a wide audience. Else the site could even be taken down for such things as improper content to minors, etc.

For a good hearted person, of which Sonneilon is, banning is not a simple issue, and banning is a lot more complex than it may seem.