I looked thru 'em all and one could say this case study is a bit biased. Don't take offense Haradrel, I absolutely applaud what you've done here. HOWEVER...

I would've done a shot using ALL Storm Shadows to make the point for the 1st sample. Can ARAH Storm Shadow get into those positions? Personally, I don't know.

Sample 2. You are using a JvC Flint vs 25A Flint. Do you have a comic book Flint or an original ARAH Flint to sample against?

Sample 3. Now I get it. That division between waist and torso throws ya off unless they have something to cover it (DTC Cobra Trooper, for example). HOWEVER, with us taking pictures, there are ways to get around this, right? Foto manipulation???

Sample 4. I personally don't get the man boobs problems.

Sample 5. The looking up problem. I think this is very debatable. A lot of the 25A can NOT look up. BUT a lot of the bastard era figures can't either. I just pulled out what I have and you want a small list of those who can NOT? Widescope, VvV Duke, ST Recondo, JvC Beach Head, JvC Dusty, etc. Some can look down a bit better (JvC Roadblock, ST Crosshair, ST REcondo, etc). The ONLY one that I can find quickly that can look up is Major Barrage and he's using that swell SW joint system. Comic Pack Tunnel Rat can look up and down too but Cross Country can't.

Also, ARAH figures have heads that can swivel 360!

Sample 6. The sitting issue. I personally don't care. So what if they have to sit like Sharon Stone most of the time??? lol I understand that sitting is a big issue but I have a bigger beef with a guy like Duke not getting 90 degrees out of his elbows.

No offence taken - it was the figures I had as an example, chosen at random. :)



I would like to have done that too, but I don't have the ARAH Stormy - Anybody else care to post a picture (that has both) ?



Again no, my options are quite limited, so I used what was at hand. Again somebody else might make a better comparison. But all in all this was in general - So my points still stand.



Bingo! :) What I am saying is that both lines have the same issue, just a tad variation of it. Taste/preference thing again ;)



Me neither, but its a taste thing me thinks.



Here I disagree and would like to point back to the pictures as proof. They can look up, they don't have the same range of head movement (which is a completely different thing), by using the torso they can move their upperbody back and look up. Its actually more natural then the ARAH figures this way.



That was my point. There probably is or will be 25th that won't have the same headmovement/upperbody movement - but this isn't news as the older lines had the same problems - Take for example ARAH(?) Jinx - She can't turn her head very well, and she can't look up


Not sure if that is a good or bad thing ;)



:) I whole heartedly agree.
One of the "problems" of the 25th line is that you can't get 90 degrees out of elbows without cutting - I have never cut the elbows but still I am able to create natural poses for them without to much hassle.
Hopefully this is one of those things that will be looked at by Hasbro for future releases (they fixed the "diapers" so maybe they will fix this as well?).

The Vipers for example can Kneel perfectly - also a problem for most 25th, again a problem which can be overcome with some ingenuity.


Good to see this debate "rage" on. Who knows we might be able to change a few perceptions and maybe address a few future issues for Hasbro in one go

I don't want to be overly critical but the proper term for "man boobs" is "pectorals".

I think the chest articulation makes the 25A figures look more muscular but the ARAH waist movement was more natural and being able to lean from side to side, they have more range.

Hehe, I guess man boobs has been the official slang for something we don't like. I also dub the bastard era figures bearers of "gorilla arms" ;) :p

On the chest articulation, I disagree (not something new) The 25th lean more naturally to the side instead of having the whole upper body follow, you can turn them somewhat. But I dub this up for debate.

No, I can tell you there's definitely a difference. As much as I wish it were otherwise, I unfortunately don't have large, defined pectorals...

Haradrel, the looking up issue, I was thinking of JUST the head itself, not using the chest piece to help. But it's probably hit and miss on all 3 sides of the eras (4 if you include Extreme, 5 w/ the 8"?). Fotography wise, just take the picture from a lower angle and from the back. Or do the same with the front and just the head. lol!

None of the 25A figures I own have chest articulation that allow them to lean to the side. (For peeking or shooting around corners.)

This is getting sooo boring! I'm out! :rolleyes:

Constructive Criticism
 

Right. First of all when a normal person looks up at something they generally use their neck do they not?

In your pic you have all the figures with bent knees.. now.. if you could actually show me a figure of the 25th anniversary using his head/neck joint actually looking up.. then my point would be inaccurate..
don't get me the wrong way, I aint saying the RAH figures were any better for it either, I'm just saying for a modern figure that's so ''Brilliantly touted'' across the action figure world.. it's actually quite a crud thing they can't look up properly.

I'll get you a pic of a proper figure that can look up and show you what i mean.. ;)

Looking up...
 

Ok, no bent knees or arched back and he's looking up using the articulation in the neck... this is what i was referring to. ;)
25th Anniversary figures would be alot better if they had articulation in the neck/head. The fact it's just a stub and head is a hinderence to the sculpt :o