i'LL TAKE ANYTHING, JUST DON'T CANCEL THE LINE

Point. Match. Set. Game. ;)

These definately do look like 'Noks!!!!!

im with you both. ive said before im just happy to have new 3 3/4 th. i understand that some people arent happy, but i dont think there all as bad as everyone thinks. and since im one of the people who didnt get all the joes when i was a kid and then the ones i did have got lost in an alternate dimension i really want the old ones to get some completion. even if they arent perfect, ill buy some just to keep the line going and hope they fix things. better, in my book, to have to ok joes then no joes at all for the next 10 years.

They look better than most of the other 25th stuff, but they are still the same basic flawed design underneath the gloss. No matter how nice they look, I still won't be tempted to buy them until Habro fixes the fundamental problems with this figure style. On a side note, it's cool to see my hometown on Torch's back! ;)

So, what, there aren't any forearms they could use that don't have sculpted sleeves/cuffs? Unless Torch is supposed to be into freaky body-modification...?

Man you gotta loosten up a bit on this new 25th stuff or you may just end up regretting your stuborness :)

The articulation is flawed, but damn if they don't look good. I'm with you on the old sculpt stuff, it is the default style for me, but the sculpting on these new figs makes up for any articulation flaws...it will get ironed out eventually as long as fans support it!

I took a look at this fig from the Toy News International web site and it's not bad at all. The helmet is a little bit funky but this is a "in progress" shot and the helmet issue will more then likely be addressed. I will pic him up no matter how it turns out. C'mon...this is the Crimson Guard...if Hasbor don't fix it, anyone of us can with a simple head swap...

Stubborn? Me? Never.... ;) I'll "loosen up" when the 25th figures "loosen up" :p