Firelyed and Roland are both great posters here on Joedios and that is why its so suprising to me that you say that "a lot" of people don't like Jay that vauge statement is designed so that people will think that its true when people don't immediately step in and say no. But the thing is that people allmost never step in between qarreling because nobody wants to get involved. Its a retholical trick to get people to feel unwelcome when there is no reason to. :(
Well I don't buy it! :mad: I think this is just two buddies sticking up for each other in what they first thought were a flaming attack.
If Jay should belive you and loose interest in Joedios it would be a HUGE loss as his customs and pictures are great and his comments have actually something to say.

I've never met Jay, so I can't say what kind of person he is, but he is very forthright in his opinions, which of course he's entitled to be. Unfortunately his manner and almost always negative comments and nit picking upset people. Most folks can handle constructive criticism, but not comments that ridicule or belittle, which Jay has a tendency to do. He has canned my pics plenty of times, both here and on Flickr. I've had my problems with Jay in the past, but I refuse to let him bother me anymore, so I blocked him on Flickr and try to ignore him here.

It has been suggested that I try to bring back Blowtorch and KnowItAllJoe just to put things in more perspective. heh heh.

I respectfully disagree.

I didn't intend for my statement to be vague. I have a full pm box that will attest to my statement's accuracy. I just chose to honor the privacy of there opinions. Joedio's is a great community and this thread was not started to blast Jay, but that's the road it took and it doesn't bother me one bit.

Lol, the good old days! :)

:D

this was a terrible thread, but shows that we all should evaluate how we comment. this was one time when jay's response wasn't caustic, just honest. i told him to jump down a mineshaft on flickr and i regret that. ALL OF US should resist knee jerk responses on Joedios. a considered response will eliminate hostility and hostility negates anything constructive. there are so many different POV's here on Joedios and there is room for all of them. if Trench-Viper, who is consistently courteous and helpful, was upset, i think there is a problem because he is the epitome of Joedios. i apologize to Jay for my hostility towards him and Death at Midnight for continuing the thread ( but i'm a liberal and we do sh*t like this )...and knowing is half the battle :p

If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

Otto got it right! BTW what happened to that blowtorch guy? I don't remember him.

CF :D

That is true Otto, and I hope my post wasn't perceived as nasty because it wasn't meant to be, but Jay has a knack of upsetting people with his comments so he had to expect it to happen, as it has on numerous occasions.