Why do you Love/Hate 25th
 

Hate them..
I truly hate them.. (Hasbro)
I've done a review on the 25th Storm Shadow, now even though I hate everything that Hasbro now stands for and slaps out willy nilly with irrevocability
yet despite how awfully poor their distribution is, despite their awful repaints and awful customer service.. despite their ignorance and completely arrogant adoptance towards greed.. the figure I reviewed was actually rather good.

Sure it has its faults, but the old style figures have flaws too. I agree with T.O.D, but we all like and hate things for different reasons, we wouldnt have a discussion on anything anymore if we all liked the same things.. forums wouldnt really exist.. well they would but nobody would have a full opinion on things. :o

Assume that I'd had a complete memory scrub of the RAH figures and I didnt know they existed, and I only knew 25th existed.. Yeah I'd think they were cool. In parts they look alot better but don't in other areas.
The scale issue with them, I'm not sure about, I'm all for Hasbro releasing destro and roadblock to be taller/bigger than someone like Scarlett, it makes sense.

The fact remains any time you try something new, your going to hit problems, it's just frustrating from my point, because
A) I havent had a memory scrub.. and so know what hasbro are capable of..
B) Because of this, the problems hasbro has with this line are fixable, and makes me think that they do it on purpose.

You know the 25th line is an abuse by Hasbro, they've used the Nostalgia to lure fans in with a 'best of both worlds' account, but by rights they are running out of this nostalgia.. Matt Trakker or Hot Rod anyone? It's really weird because they done the same thing in the 80s and i'm certain nobody kicked up this much of a stink.

So in summary I hate Hasbro, with a passion, but I can't truly hate the 25th, mainly because some of them without doubt are good figures, it's just they've been released under suspicious circumstances and hasbro's policy towards their fanbase isn't something I agree with.

*Note* I actually hate the manufacturer more than I hate/love the figures.
I voted bring back the O-ring, I dunno why.. I guess I just like clicking things..

These are excellent. I too wish more RAH Joes could have got the "comic pack" treatment. Especially Gung-Ho.

You know what I feel is the best G.I. Joe figure ever? MAJOR BARRAGE. This figure was the pinnacle of 3 3/4" G.I. Joe figure design IMO. He is a new sculpt figure but it looks just as good if not better than the 25th stuff. Yeah he was an all new character so there is no nostalgia factor but try and tell me any 25th figure with "Duke arms" is better than Major Barrage.

Barrage has arms and a head design that were more or less carried over to the 25th line but he still has an o-ring. Look at the arms on this figure! No giant plastic rivets like the other new sculpt guys suffered from. To me this figure is proof that Hasbro didn't have to abandon the new sculpt style and switch to the funky 25th style in order to make the figures look good. All it took was good proportions and a few design changes (not a total redesign).

Lot of good points here. The Articulation is AWESOME in the 25th, but Hasbro was on it's way there with what Graham calls "The Bastard Era". Major Barrage has a 25th style head with neckball, Snake eyes, the Black Firefly and a couple of others had adjustable ankles and A few had adjustable wrists. So why not just add those features to ARAH and make 25th figures like that?

And now if I want to use new characters and make them look right, I need to repurchase my whole collection over again! Nah, I'll pass!

I say it because it's my opinion, based on my experiences with them, it doesn't mean it's right or wrong. I just state my opinion, I don't dis the opinions of others.
I don't think they don't pose as well as ARAH figures. Fragile? The first set I bought, the Gung Ho was broken straight out of the box, and the Baroness was so thin that her limbs bent under the slightest pressure. The first time I tried to pose Duke, his hand came straight off. The heads do look weird in profile. I know you're a big fan of them, and I'm glad you like them, I really am, but I'm so sick of being told I'm "wrong" because I don't like them that this argument is a waste of time. You like 'em, I don't, and never the twain shall meet.

I know when I first got ahold of the figures, I was worried about them being fragile. But I tend to play with my stuff carefully and yeah, the 25A tend to stand around MORE than run wild. My fear is the joints loosening up too much so they can't be used well. THAT was a problem and fear I had as a kid. Sure, it's FACT that the more you play with them, the looser they'll get (Graham, deal with it!). I try and keep the 25A in good condition just as I did with the Bastard Era figures. ANYBODY who has received figures from me, those figures GOTTA be pretty tight. IF anything has loosened up, it's cuz of the weather or shipping process.

I'm not worried about these figures being fragile anymore. They seem pretty sturdy to me! The weapons on the other hand....

I think another issue is "Standing". A lot of people say they are hard to pose. With all that articulation, they are EASY to pose, but I can't get mine to stand for beans!

As for posing, I guess I can see where all this articulation COULD make them hard to pose. trying to pose small joints may throw off the angle of larger joint you had already finished posing.


I didn't mean for this to get into a war about why this or that sucks. I know Myself and Craig didn't like the 25th, but I thought we were in the minority. I was stunned when a lot more people had negative things to say about the 25th in another thread and I just wanted to see if this was something to do with too many repaints, lack of distribution, not liking them but not wanting the line to die, or is it because people (like me and Criag) just don't like the molds!?!

All of these issues with the 25th have been discussed before, but it just seems to me that over time, those who WERE ga-ga about them have slowly grown to be dissatisfied with them. Maybe they were ALWAYS haters, but I just didn't see it. I see nothing wrong with people liking them, they DO have a lot of cool things about them. It's just that they are SO radically different than ARAH joes, I feel like Hasbro said "Thanks for buying thousands worth of our product, now throw it all away and line our pockets again!" I feel betrayed and disgusted.

It's like with Vista, I NEEDED a laptop for work. I wanted one with XP, but DELL only was selling Vista. I bought it, it got delivered a few days before I shipped out and 1/2 of my software doesn't work on it! I can't downgrade to XP (Tried that already..drivers aren't compatible) Now, what can I do? I'm STUCK with it! now I have to Re-buy 50% of my software...and Microsoft has already said that Vista was a major mistake and everyone is waiting for Windows 7 to fix this mess....

Sorry...I'm tired and ranting! LOL!

just one reason why i love the 25th. i did these shots in a few seconds and i didnt have to use anythign to hold them up. can anyone do this with an ARAH figure?
http://www.joedios.com/dioramas/sho...php?i=16935&c=7
http://www.joedios.com/dioramas/sho...5&goto=next&c=7

This is what i mean using the parts you have to make better figures why not both? how about internet exclusives, even joe dios exclusives I'm sure it would bring traffic to the site.