Played by Marlon Wayans, according to a script review, he's essentially the "stupid guy who's comic relief".

Gotta disagree with Larry Hama here. He's virtually saying "if you dislike the movie your a moron", which is ridiculous. People should remember his vested interest in the film doing well. From what I've seen from the trailers, there's nothing that makes me want to see it - it's definitely not the GI Joe I know and love.

missed opportunity
 

In a lot of ways it doesn't really matter if all the rumors and bad buzz are true or not. The damage has already been done either way.

Fan-boys can say what they want about the Transformers movies, but those movies have attracted millions of news fans, generated a lot of money, and the toy line is doing better than ever. Any frachise has to continually attract new fans and continue evolving or it will die. By attracting old and young fans Micheal Bay and his Transformers movies have ensured that the frachise will live on for many years to come.

GI Joe could only dream of the sales that Transformers has produced in recent years, and GI joe has had a really hard time attracting new young fans and toy buyers.

This movie was a chance to put GI Joe back on the map with kids. But beause the GI Joe producers didn't real play the nostalgia angle the way Transformers did, and because the previews have been lame, I just don't see the movie attracting enough of an audience to really propel the frachise or the toy line forward. Even a sequel seems unlikely at this point. (Work on the second Transformers movie started before the first was even out the the theaters.) I'm really disapponted by the how badly Hasbro and Paramount missed the boat here.

I know some fan think of Larry Hama as sort of the Godfather of GI Joe, and I'll admit that Larry Hama was a huge part of comic books' success in the 1980's. But that comic book was only a part of GI Joe universe. The cartoon was seen by far more people than the comic book, and Hama admitted that he hasn't even watched the cartoon. The cartoon and the TV commercials are what drove toy sales in the 80's not the comic book. Its no coincidence that after new cartoon episodes stopped, sales of the toy line tanked.

Reading interviews of Hama, it sounds like he was never really emotionally invested in the characters, beyond Snake-eyes. It sounds like it was just ajob for him, and not something he was ever really passionate about. And let not forget that Hama was responsible for the ninja obsession, and bizarre sci-fi elements that were introduced in the late 1980's-early 1990's. That crap killed the toyline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBfn...feature=related


Latest (and Most detailed I've seen) trailer yet. to me, this is going to be a big budget generic cyber punk-ish film with G.I. Joe stamped on it. the only recognizable [eople are Snake Eyes (hard to mess him up) Storm Shadow, and Baroness.

There is absolutely nothing Cyberpunk about this film.

I know that Hama created the Joeverse around his vision. He is NOT the end all of GI Joe. his stories, his crap that he pulled, the crap Hasbro pulled... He did what he could. Fact is, ppl see Hama as the creator. He's not. Hasbro is. Hama only worked with what he could but... There were later stories that were his vision. Those are NOT my vision.

I have no problem bringing in another writer. 1 that's not a twat that'll connect CC, SE, Baroness, etc to one story. Look, hama wanted the gi joe story to revolved around certain characters (aforementioned). But MOST of us wanted a war comic like Sgt Rock? Yeah, you gotta have a cast, but making SE this gnarly arse ninja then the cartoon punk'ng him, there's a gap. That's not cool in my book.

The movie, i don't know what it will do to gi joe.

The comment about gi joe kids beating up others. Please. the trendys who wore Gothca/Quicksilver and were into sports and whatnot were FAR worse.

Haven't been around
 

Of course you haven't been around, you and General Scarlett HAVE MY FIGURES!!!!!

Something to add though, The TF line has only had one year off since its debut in 1983, whereas the joe line has had several breaks. Also TF is often called "The most conistantly selling toyline" in history well before Bay came in. Lastly TF had plenty of media supporting through the years (Beast Wars/Machines, Armada, Energonect, really they are all too numorous to list). In contrast GI Joe really hasn't had a cartoon show since DIC (besides the one special in the corse of a year like Spy Troops VvV and it appears Resolute too).



I agree on being disapointed in hasbro and Paramout but I have to disagree about the succuess of TF being nostalgia, I think (Like Star Trek, Batman, ect) what TF did was keep the core of the original while updating it, not changing for changes sake which is what I am seeing and hearing from this joe movie (Look at CC for a glaring example)

Transformers debuted in 84, not 83. You're thinking of the debut year of Swivel Arms here.
1995, 1996 and 1999 were the only years without Joe.


They had Sigma Six.


I agree there.

More likely I am thinking of the year they were supposed to debut in the Microman line.



That is still several breaks vs. just one, But:

Depends on how you view it, all the versions of TF had some version of Optimus and Megetron, the same cannot be said for Joe (Extreame and Savage). Also the basic toy didn't really change that much as the TF line went forward (Of course there were advances in Articuation and how the toys could transform but th progression can be seen as the line goes into different incarnations, but the Bublebee of today can stand beside Trailbreaker from GI and are for the most part the same scale). Conversly Joe has gone from 5". 8", 12", 2" ect (and while TF did have some variance in scale it wasn't through toylines. ie the minis were there with GI with Seaspray, cosmos ect, not as a seperate line).

Thus I really don't count Extreame, savage or even Sigma as they were rubs against the grain (and as such failed). I can see a strong case for 12" figs since they were the orginals and would conseed that point, the others I have a harder time with.

On top of that, Joe kept getting cancelled where as TF would run its course and start anew with new characters and a new storyline (Although Beast machines probably was a poor idea, it at least was follwed up by something in a TF vien that wasn't a total change of heart).




Oh I had forgotten that, but the reason I did is cause you could never find it on anywhere. or if it was on the time slots kept getting shifted around.