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*sigh*

People weren't griping directly at Mr. Castle from other websites. They usually keep it vague. "Why did this fight get out into the open?" "Why do you let -some- pictures posted?" etc. We DO have a huge amount of lurkers.

AS I already stated, there have been continual complaints lodged about him. He has already been warned a few times. I'm not opposed to letting him back in. But like everyone here, rules need to be not only observed, but action taken to keep those standards there.
The complaints I got about the picture in question, those people saw an inappropriate act.

And Hammerfel wants a PG site, not pg13. I only go with what he wants in this regard.

Mr. Hughes.... what do you get out of calling me, Mr. Castle. No one uses last/sur names on this site, not ever. It doesn't come off as respectful. In this regard, it comes off as condescending. I'm not not trying to start a fight, I DO want to come back, I'm just putting in MY .02. You just keep using it, fireflyed of FF will suffice. Thank you.
Respectfully yours
Fireflyed/Cory---

*sigh*

It's a formal name in a formal situation.

And not everyone uses the screen names.

Because you wish, I will continue using FF.

I used to frequent a site that had NO limits what so ever, no topic was taboo, nor were any pictures posted there. Sound like it might be an ok place, but I tell you what, it basically came down to who could come up with the most most creative, "funny" and digusting way of shooting down someone who had differing opinions. People got real nasty and brought out personal things they had learned about others and it got to the point where you couldn't have a civilized conversation with anyone.

I'm glad there are rules here and I'm glad that everybody seems to follow them. The moderatiors don't seem to let the problem children hang around too long. I'd hate to see what happened on that other site happen here.

When I first noticed that Fireflyed had been banned, I figured there was a reason for it that wasn't on the surface that the rest of us couldn't see. I hope he is able to come back.

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Originally Posted by Death_at_Midnight

Here's my .02 cents:

Sonneilon has a tough job to do. He is not the type ban someone lightly.

As a former site moderator myself, moderating is a tough job, especially to volunteer for. I've had to ban ppl in the past: some I had to act quickly because the site had a live chat component--there were hackers, and there were times when the only way to ban a hacker was to ban everyone from that user's address, reguardless of the innocent. And it had always left me with an ugly feeling.

Yet often times the site itself has to come first because there are other ppl here. Some are children. JD has no mechanism for parental controls or any movie-style rating/warning, and often times what is one person's standard of morality is not the standard of another. JD is an international site, and there are things done in the US culture that does not translate well to other cultures. In many ways, the mod has to stick with the lowest common denominator that is acceptible for a wide audience. Else the site could even be taken down for such things as improper content to minors, etc.

For a good hearted person, of which Sonneilon is, banning is not a simple issue, and banning is a lot more complex than it may seem.

Okay cool story bro, it's good to know you were a mod. Thing is what your saying doesn't really mean anything. The Internet is a scary thing, we all know this, and Joedios.com has maybe 2 people who are minors that actively visit it. A picture of a child's toy grinding with another child's toy (KIDS DANCE THAT WAY NOW!) is probably not going to get this website kicked off the internet. Hisstank for example has pictures of G.I. Joe toys modified so that they're breasts and genitals are exposed. Is that website going to be kicked off the internet?

I'm all for different opinions and everyone has varying degrees of what's humorous and what's obscene and what's out-right uncalled for.

Personally I didn't see FF's post to be too bad. Maybe cause it was all in jest, or maybe because I've seen worse (Barbie porn on flickr... ugh!). It was clearly never an intention of his to be offensive or upset the staus quo of the board. He's just never come off as that kind of guy.

Understandably politics shouldn't really be on this forum. It's far too small in all honesty and there's going to be some people getting upset no matter what. Given I can't honestly say I've seen anyone post anything regarding politics but given the complaints I assume there's some. But at the same time if it's a political topic I personally shy away from it. My political beliefs are somewhat personal and if your's are as well then just move on to the next topic. No reason to get in a huff over something. Different strokes for different folks, people.

At the end of the day what JDs, and any other toysite, is genuinely about is we all love toys and we all must love at least trying to photograph them so just roll with it.
Idealy you can can tell by the thumbnail if something ain't for you and if it's not then cool there's going to be something else for you here I'm sure. And if in the rare event your shlt doesn't stink and EVERYTHING is subject to your extra-worldy opinion then this probably isn't the spot for you hombre'. ;)

Guess up 4 cents now....

The foto is not JD worthy.

The foto is not JD worthy.
It is good for Flickr since it is in a personal account.

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Originally Posted by Sonneilon

If they're not members what the hell does it matter? The vast majority of people who are members of this website haven't really said anything negative about the pic. It's not like they're obscure folks like "Turner" either, they're all well known members like Scarrviper, Vader, Nekoman, Snakeeyes, Ciadra, Dan-O.

I mean there's far creepier pictures than an obvious joke picture on this website. I'll post links to a few:

http://www.joedios.com/dioramas/sho...r&imageuser=224

http://www.joedios.com/dioramas/sho...&imageuser=3807 (Clutch is consuming alcohol and groping a figure that doesn't look like it's gone through puberty)

http://www.joedios.com/dioramas/sho...&imageuser=3336

I'd like to complain about those.

We care about the outsiders too because we want an open door format here. Anything to turn them off is not good. Especially when they pass it around.

As well, did you even READ teabag's thoughts on the picture in question.

And I feel that you are just jumping on the bandwagon of saying what offends you to be cool or whatever. You probably should have filed the complaint (with reasoning) when they were first posted as well.

C'mon Ian! Hershel's was a diostory! a good one short dio.
And Death one is harmless.

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Originally Posted by Roland da Thompson Gunner

http://www.joedios.com/dioramas/sho...&imageuser=3807 (Clutch is consuming alcohol and groping a figure that doesn't look like it's gone through puberty)

:-) Thanks Roland da Thompson Gunner! I feel really honored you chosed one of my photos :-) Hopefully more ppl will click on it and rack up the viewing count.

I just wanted everyone to know: I like pie.

That is all

I eat.. but have to eat more I guess.. I'm all bones with a scythe and grave robes.

I had teriyaki tonite.

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Originally Posted by Death_at_Midnight

I eat.. but have to eat more I guess.. I'm all bones with a scythe and grave robes.

So your saying your profession is 'Runway Model'?!?!

:D

All that running made him really thin, I guess...

Hehhe, I give up.. I don't know how to respond to this.. but for the record, my robes are custom made.. they don't fit on anyone else.

*gasp!* And you survived!

*death takes out a lifetimer*

Hrm..

hehhe

dude, i can't eat at McD's. After that story about the 1 yr old happy meal that never molded, talk about gross, Daniel! lol

McDonald's still has the best french fries.

Dammit, now I'm hungry!

LOL

Quarter Pounder and A milkshake'
God I have a lot of running to do!

Hey, if someones making a Mickey D's run, can ya grab me 2 double cheeseburgers, a 10 piece nuggett, large fries, and a LARGE strawberry milkshake.....Thanks.

I must agree, good old Graham is very nice and a extremely humble person. Also, Now that I believe FF and I are cool, I am hoping that there will be a settlement between the two.

Sure some shots are seemed as inappropriate, but we all have that "immature" side.

As for my Mickey D's supper, I just puked it up. AURGHH!!!

lol!

Now I know your secret to long life. And I thought it was either a stomach of iron, hit points above 100, or some 'health restore' potion. ;-)

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Originally Posted by General Scarlett

McDonald's still has the best french fries.

Dammit, now I'm hungry!

Acually the resturant I work at make THE best fries.
We get the potatoes in and peel them and cut them right at the resturant. They are some mmm good

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Originally Posted by Sonneilon

Look, you're missing the point. I don't think Roland was actually offended by those, what he's saying is that they are no different than Fireflyed's shot in terms of content. You're trying to say that the photo in question is something more harmful than it really was. Plenty of other people have posted something similar and yet you refuse to acknowledge this. You're missing the point, intentionally or unintentionally I don't know.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, clearly you are fine with this topic or you would have closed it already. I just don't see why you're trying to dodge our questions and ignore stuff, cause that's what it seems like you're doing.

Let me reiterate: In what fashion was Fireflyed's photo any more harmful than the photos Roland linked to? Answer it plainly and clearly. I as Nekoman dare you. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Beast from the east

Acually the resturant I work at make THE best fries.
We get the potatoes in and peel them and cut them right at the resturant. They are some mmm good

Well, don't be a hoarder.......share with the group!!

I got no complaints about the 3 fotos in question which have NOW been brought up at a time much later. FF on the other hand, there were complaints. Not only with the latest picture, but him as a member. There's more to this than just the picture.

IF any of you have a problem with the standards and rules here, feel free to move on or back to flickr where you can post whatever you want. We want a safe community here, one that gets along.

IF you can not respect the site (and what it wants) and the people who work for the site, then again, you should probably move on.

I am now locking this thread.
I am now receiving complaints about this thread.
Any other new post/thread pertaining to this situation will be locked down. As well, any member who attempts to do so will receive a short term ban. This will allow time for them to consider what this site is really about, who it's geared for, understand the rules, cool their jets and if necessary, move on if this is no longer the place for them.
It's going nowhere.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rambo

C'mon Ian! Hershel's was a diostory! a good one short dio.
And Death one is harmless.

What was harmful about Cory's? Did he not provide a description that in turn made his a photo a "short" dio-story? Why was Cory's recent photo not JD worthy Rambo? The member, Roland, provided worse examples, why was my husband singled out? I am a little ditsy, but I could have sworn you posted earlier in favor of his reinstatement. What changed Rambo? I am by know means attempting to say that he is perfect, he is not at ALL, but even a amateur gi joe gal like me can see that his posts were far from the worst things posted here. Was the set not up to joedios standards? And if it wasn't, what pre-13 year old can possible meet the excellence of standards that are set by veteran users here? The "rules and regulations" are so skewed here. And my husband has been banned for something that literally measures up as inconsequential when measured against other foul products from previous uploads to this site. I am beginning to understand why Cory was so upset.
-Rachel(the real Rachel)

Cory is driving me crazy. Just take him back already! I want to sleep tonight and not have joedios be the only thing he talks about!

I like McD but the best burguers here are the ones being sold on the streets.

PS. For Rachel: I would like him back.

Rachel, read the rules and regulations.

Then be aware of the past pms FF and I have had about his behavior and attitude.

Then be aware of the numerous complaints lodged about his latest photo and this thread.

I started a policy thread on this here: http://www.joedios.com/forum/showth...35817#post35817

Two of our esteemed members have hit the nail on the head with this issue, first, Scarlett:

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Originally Posted by General Scarlett

I don't want to stir up a hornet's nest here, but let's grow up.

The simple fact is that 'common sense' needs to be employed at all times when dealing with a 'public forum' that is essentially owned by 1 person. Through the graciousness of Hammerfel we are all able to congregate and share pictures and stories and 'shoot the sh*t' on a daily basis.
While for the most part we're all 'grown up', we still need to remember that there are rules. And when someone pushes the envelope too far, they have to deal with the consequences.

Yes, its *fun* and lively to get involved in things that should stay private, but its also not cool to fan the flames and bash the people who have been tasked with keeping the peace. Believe me, I know.

While I've got nothing against anyone personally, I do know the people who were less than gracious toward me during my tenure here. And a number of them were people who were being nice to my face while stabbing me in the back. But I didn't hold a grudge against anyone. I let bygones be bygones and when I was asked by 'the powers that be' to come back and reclaim my place as a 'valued, veteran member', I agreed.

I've kept to myself and continued posting the same positive, encouraging posts that I've maintained from the beginning. But seeing this flame war being fanned, I feel the need to put my .03 in.

If people want to cause drama, you can't stop them. But by egging it on, you simply ensure its continuance. Look at what Matt did......when I left, he had opened-and been banned-by over a half dozen SN's. And we all know that most of the 'old guard' have more than one account here on JoeDios (a bonus that is not accepted on nearly every other Joe board)..so while lamenting the 'banning' of the SN gives some 'meat' to the boredom, its not like a different account can't be used (which has already been done in this thread).

I know that its fun to jump on the bandwagon and get into everybody else's business, but when all the facts are not known, it just serves to derail a good site and its members from the purpose of said site. Let the affected parties hash it out via PM's and don't get involved in business that doesn't concern you personally.

The fact that people were complaining (or whatever happened), shows that it was done by some who have taken the 'high road' and gone along the proper channels to inform the staff of whatever questionable actions were going on (I don't know about the picture in question, I had only seen the thumbnail and didn't get a chance to click on it before it was taken down). Irregardless, as some have stated, there is a flickr account, so the shot can (most likely) be viewed there.

So, everybody should just go back to doing what this site is REALLY all about-taking pictures of plastic army men........

'Nuff Said!

And Death at Midnight:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Death_at_Midnight

Sonneilon PM'd me about his action. I have to apologize for not posting sooner. My son is graduating 2nd grade, switching schools, and just finished up his Wolf year in Cub Scouts, and at work, a co-worker is moving on to another company and I have the annual E3 Expo to prep for next week, so I've been pretty busy. :)

To the photo in question, it was too suggestive for my tastes, especially as a stand-alone shot. I'm not opposed to sexy scenes in dio stories, as long as they further the plot, like the Scarlett / Helix shot linked above contributed to that story.

Think of it this way. When you see a one-shot photo of a man behind a bent over woman, simulating sex, that's just a titillating photo meant to get a reaction out of the viewer. It akin to soft-core porn. When you watch a movie, and the same scene takes pace between lovers, it (hopefully) enriches the story and develops the characters. Heck, even I have a "sex scene " in one of my dios, but it develops my character of Kamakura have "the ear that sees" and involves known lovers, Lady Jaye and Flint.