This isn't
 

This isn't ridiculous.. they tried to end a debate by taking a vote. :confused:

And I'd like to point your attention to your previous thread about thinking before you type.. if these people done this they wouldnt make so many typo's would they? :confused:
Rich

were all acting lil kids fighting over toys and your pointing out typos??? lol, plz . an come on scar, why stop the vote? you were in on the arguing too.

So in summary
 

I stopped the 'vote' because it was redundant.............the entire argument was, is and will be contained in this thread..........there's no reason to start another one about it..............


And I'm not 'arguing', I'm 'defending'...............there's a whole world of difference in those two words.......... ;)

arguing starts out as defending something we believe in against something someone else believes to be. but i really dont see why we cant talk about who we like and who we dont like without starting about typos. i make mistakes like crazy, my browser shows me that i didnt put the ' in didn't, but i dont care to fix it. i just come on here to read some great stories and see what some of the other great joe fans have going on in their joe verse. if i like it or dont, i really dont care, i like what they do and what they believe in, and thats G.I. Joe. even for me, a duke hater, i would still rather watch a cartoon or read a comic with duke in it then anything else they put it against that didnt have anything to do with G.I. Joe. i think some people on here may need to do a lil full contact sport, it really takes the edge off and nothing bothers you nearly as much as it would, relieve the stress in a healthy beneficial way, lol.

Jeez you guys. I was wondering how to handle this one.

This is how I'm seeing it.

You either love or hate Duke. That's a personal decision.

Mixing it up with fact of what Hasbro/Sunbow/the big wigs wanted with Duke, that's a different bag. I've already stated Hasbro's stance as well as the Big 3's stance on the concept of Core. This discussion could easily be about Destro, Cobra COmmander and Snake Eyes.

Everyone has their right to hate or love the 1st Sgt of GI Joe. I'm neutral and in fact, I can deal with him. His S6 characterization works for me.

Apparently, Duke is a pretty touchy subject. The way I see it, let Duke be whatever you want him to be in your 'verse. DO NOT trash Hasbro for making him the icon of GI Joe. Stop whining that Hasbro should have killed him off cuz it ain't gonna happen.

Whether you like it or not, Duke is here to stay. HOWEVER, start a Duke Hate club, get big and well-known and maybe Hasbro will create a stupid git like Link Talbot to lead GI Joe instead. Be careful what you wish for.

Urgh. This is why I learned never to get involved in these "debates." They always degenerate into a ridiculous argument about why people hate a character that was, in all honestly, pretty evenly represented back in the old days. Sure, he was a super-main character on the TV show, but he was a bit-player in the comics! It all evens out, so let's just let it be. If you don't like him that's fine, but don't try to change other people's minds. It's not going to happen!

Those of you that hate him-- Fine, you obviously won't alter your opinion, just as those of us who are fans of the guy won't either. Such is the nature of Duke.


And even though I don't want to get involved, I would like to at least voice my feelings on the character. Call me a hypocrite if you like for condemning this argument then adding to it, but I just want to get my opinions out there so everyone knows where I'm coming from.

The following is a cut & paste job that I put in a Target Range: Duke reply thread about a year ago, and it was originally taken from a post I'd made on the JoeCustoms boards several months before that.






And then when someone said this:



I replied thusly:

Looks sell, that's true, but so does reality television, Trash journalism and ignorant pathetic comedies that lack any true comsdic value, Gansta Rap music and cigarettes, but that DOESN'T mean I should just give up and let this nation slide from mediocrity to total ignorance without saying something and possibly trying to change it.

It's been said a million times in this thread that "Pretty boy" Duke is Hasbro's Golden boy and he won't die, won't change, and Hasbro will never give him up as the poster boys, but that doesn't mean I have to sit here and like it. And I realize that even if I went on a mad killing spree it wouldn't change Hasbro's mind. Hell, when has anything true FANS wanted effected Hasbro? If they listened to their fans, they would have a thriving GI Joe line. (Sorry Joe fans, can't be bothered! Trying to Ride the Spiderman/ Pirates of the Carribean movies popularity until it dries up!!)




I have about 17 Dukes. But that doesn't say much. I also have the Cobra-la figures, Raptor, Crystal Ball, Razor troopers, Ice Cream Soldier and others that I will never use in Dios. It's not that I won't use Duke in a Dio, or that I hate duke, I just don't like Duke being the "Out Front" poster child. You were in the Military. How many times Was your First Sergeant in the Advanced Party? How many times did the First Sergeant stay out in the field the whole time during any Exercise? First Sergeants usually sit in the COC and run s**t from behind the lines. It's an office billet. If anyone should be the poster child it should be Stalker. He's been on more missions and seen more crap than Duke could ever HOPE to!

Cyclops was cool! I'd choose him over Storm!

Cyclops is not only my favorite X-Man, he's my #3 favorite Marvel super hero!

(1 and 2 are Spider-Man and-- Captain America, Marvel's version of Duke!)

This is kinda getting farcical... Poster boys etc... It's petty.

Fair enough, Duke has had a lot of attention, as his Snake Eyes... But what about Flint and Shipwreck? The limelight the Sarge often got in the toon?

No one is mentioning them.

Love them or hate them... They are all important characters in Joe mythos, in fact most of them are, in some way or another... Between comics, toons and filecards we have always had insight into every individuals character and that's a true beauty of this toy line we collect... Every character has a character... There is no two dimensional or boring characters, none I've come across anyway... I can't even think of many characters who seem the same. Every Character has some kind of unique feature about them.

For someone to say Duke is a poster boy and not a hero strikes me as just plain petty. If someone says G.I. Joe, what comes into your head first? The image of Duke? I'd imagine not somehow... Where is the poster boy thing coming from anyway? The fact Duke has blonde hair and blue eyes? Let's hope it isn't as stereotypical as that... By the way, for the record I have black hair and brown eyes. It might be because Rich mentioned Duke as being on the front of a collectors guide... So what? He's at the top of this page too? Why? Because he is a huge player in the Joe world... Like Wolverine is to the X-men... I don't ever remember Duke screwing over everyone else though to get the limelight... Unlike Wolverine, that goes for comics, cartoons and film versions of both Joe and X-men. Despite Wolvie being the man in the X-men, which I don't like, I don't hate Wolverine for it. God knows... I should... X3 was a disaster, I turned it off after 40 minutes or so!

Why is Wolverine so popular? His character... Pure bad @$$! Just like Snake Eyes... Who just so happens to be popular in the Joe world... Just like Duke? Yup... I'd say Duke was bad @$$ too...

No matter how many men there is in anything... Joe, X-men or even Lost... There are always a select few who get more exposure... Usually because they are quite quirky and unique or bad @$$, etc. Let's not hate these characters for that?

Every one is entitled to an opinion, sure they are. You've probably just read mine. But your opinions seem a bit petty... C'mon guys, back them up with decent arguments... Please don't think I'm having a go, I'm not. I want to understand where you are coming from with this?

Perhaps the bottom line is this... Duke is popular... For reasons far beyond those which some people are suggesting...

Dave :D

ok this is about duke. not the others

However, it very well could be about all the 'popular' Joes..........and in terms of 'popularity', Snake Eyes is the media ho@r of the entire line...........not Duke........

ok i didnt think this was going out of control. i may have gone too far.
but you know what. duke should have die. i dont like him.
you know what. i just may start a i hate duke club. :D thanks Sonneilon
duke needs to go.

i can with stan old snakeface. Scarlett. terms of 'popularity', poster boy duke is not.

Nice Try
 

Vous monsieur, êtes ce qui est connu en tant qu'antagoniste. Je me lèverai au-dessus de ceci en ne disant rien en outre plus sur la matière. ;)

english

Guys? You are all starting to tread on thin ice...............just letting you know......

Really?
 

Really Bravo.. you want a translation? :o I'm afraid I can't.. you see .. I don't help out people who slander heroes and Icons of GIJOE..
I guess you've learned not to burn you bridges.. oh and btw...

Vous aimerez ma gamme de cible avez demain une conjecture que je mets en lumière :D
;)

Guys-you DO know this is running to SEVEN PAGES over an action figure,right?? If you don't like a figure-don't buy him/her/it.............if the toy comes in a multi-pack you want,give the figure you DON'T want to a child..............TOYS are NOT worth heartburn,okay?? Thank you

and you spoke of typos, thats childish. if we disagree, at least let people know what you are saying so they can reply. its like a kid saying something under their breath and no repeating it and then laughing. here let me try this saboteur. i ______ _____ and i _____ _____ ______ ______. mmm, yeah, i feel childish.

Rich, you need to S-T-O-P..............I know what your writing and while you might be trying to be 'funny', other's who do not understand the language are only going to be aggravated...............and as for everyone else involved in this debacle.........


Everyone needs to CHILL OUT!!!!! I mean it!!!!


You either love Duke or hate Duke or just remain indifferent..........but agree to disagree? Kapish????

Ok, so here's a few words and their definitions........

The definition of Love is the subject of considerable debate, enduring speculation and thoughtful introspection. Some tackle the difficulty of finding a universal definition for love by classifying it into types, such as passionate love, romantic love, and committed love. However, some of these types of love can be generalized into the category of sexual attraction. In ordinary use, love usually refers to interpersonal love, an experience felt by a person for another person. Love often involves caring for or identifying with a person or thing, including oneself (cf. narcissism). Dictionaries tend to define love as deep affection or fondness. In colloquial use, according to polled opinion, the most favored definitions of love involve altruism, selflessness, friendship, union, family, and bonding or connecting with another.

Hatred is an emotion of intense revulsion, distaste, enmity, or antipathy for a person, thing, or phenomenon, generally attributed to a desire to avoid, restrict, remove, or destroy the hated object. Hatred is also among the most common emotions that humans experience.[citation needed] It can be based on fear of an object or past negative consequences of dealing with that object. Hatred is often described as the opposite of love or friendship; others, such as Elie Wiesel, consider the opposite of love to be indifference. People may feel conflicting and complicated emotions or thoughts involving hate, as in a love-hate relationship.

Often the verb "to hate" is used casually to describe things one merely dislikes, such as a particular style of architecture, a certain climate, one's job, some particular food, or people who claim to hate something when they in fact merely dislike it.

"Hatred" is also used to describe feelings of prejudice, bigotry or condemnation (see shunning) against a person, or a group of people, such as racism, and intense religious or political prejudice. The term hate crime is used to designate crimes committed out of hatred in this sense.



Ambivalence is a state of having emotions in contradiction, when those emotions are related to the same object, idea or person (for example, feeling both love and hatred for someone or something). The term is also commonly used to refer to situations where 'mixed feelings' of a more general sort are experienced or where a person feels uncertainty or indecisiveness concerning something.


Jealousy typically refers to the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that occur when a person believes a valued relationship is being threatened by a rival. This rival may have no knowledge of threatening the relationship.

The word stems from the French jalousie, formed from jaloux (jealous), and further from Low Latin zelosus (full of zeal), and from the Greek word for "ardour, zeal" (with a root connoting "to boil, ferment"; or "yeast"). Jealousy is a familiar experience in human relationships. It has been reported in every culture and in many forms where researchers have looked. It has been observed in infants as young as 5-6 months old and in adults over 65 years old.

The word "jealousy" is frequently used to describe what is more properly envy, fixation on what someone else has.





The moral of the story is, in order to have 'HATE' one must initially have 'LOVE'........and the 'AMBIVALENCE' that some carry is a direct product of 'JEALOUSY'................... ;)

You know,everybody-I always IDENTIFIED with Duke,Flint,Hawk.............I wanted to be like them.....................Snake-Eyes-I like him,but it's hard to identify with a Ninja Master-and I don't want to be disfigured................ :p


It was specifically stated in 'The MASS Device' that Duke always stood up for the younger and weaker-what a terrible way to be!

Truthfully,everyone-I'm 34 now..............and you can try to make the world a better place,or you can try to make it worse.............no-one is gonna thank you,either way.........

PLAY NICE! Listen to Auntie GenScar!!!

i want to know what you said. look im sorry that i dont like posterboy duke.
all im saying is theres way too many of him. and i dont like when people talk in diffrent words. if you like him fine. i dont. G.I.Joe been around for a long time. we just need change. a better leader. not duke. but i still want to know what you said.

You know, I was just thinking... This is, as far as I can recall, this site's very first Duke Debate. Every Joe site has had at least one, after all.

I guess this means our little JoeDios is finally all grown up...

;)

:

:cool:

Ok, does this debate have to get to who got more underoos made with his face on them in the '80's before we see how ridiculous it is getting? LOL!

Can we all agree on this;

1.) Hasbro has Duke engrained in the public Psyche as "GI Joe", reguardless of whether we like or hate him, thus, he's not goin away? ( And...Even though Joe Colton is Technically "GI Joe").

2.) A First Sergeant is the ENLISTED advisor to the Commanding Officer, not the Second in Command (that is Technically the XO) so if Duke WERE to buy it, he would need an Enlisted man to step up into his billet! (I think Stalker should become first Shirt, but that's MY OPINION.) ?

3.) Love him or hate him, Duke is (Like Snake Eyes) OVER EXPOSED.?

Can we agree on that much, at least? LOL!

You're all entitled to your opinions....no matter how wrong you all may be!
;)


(liked that Parting shot...didn't cha?)

agree . Duke is (Like Snake Eyes) OVER EXPOSED.?
but you know something, it was one hell of a battle. :D

I agree w/ almost everything Frankster said. Except, from what I gathered from the original comic, Duke was brought in to kick booty in GI Joe ranks. His rank really had nothing do w/ the overall scheme. Hawk looked for the best man he could and he found Duke. 1st sgt, Lt, whatever... Duke had what it took. That's how I see the comic Duke.

Cartoon Duke... Uhmmmmmm...