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Hammerfel 06-19-2009 07:44 PM

GI Joe fans, as a whole, are over-analyzing this.

I'm listening to the CREATOR of GI Joe, Larry Hama, who has seen the movie. Check out what he has to say at General's Joes: http://generalsjoes.com/2009/02/27/...ews-larry-hama/

Two of my favorite quotes from the interview:

GJ: Let’s talk about the big stuff first. You’ve been listed as a “creative consultant” on the upcoming big budget film, G.I. Joe: The Rise of COBRA. Can you be a bit more specific about what your duties were while you were on set?

LH: No. But, I saw the rough cut, and I loved it. And I am pretty picky. (I have never seen any of the GI Joe animated versions all the way through because they MADE MY TEETH HURT.)


GJ: In all honesty, there is a large percentage of the fandom who is very uncertain about the way the film has been progressing. How do you feel about how Paramount and the film makers are treating the “Spirit” or “character” of G.I. Joe?

LH: It’s always “cooler” to be negative; If you are a socially retarded anal-retentive developmentally arrested proto-adolescent with hostility issues. No, the movie does not adhere to the comic book canon. So what? It was a lot of fun to watch, I liked the characters, and it made sense. To me that’s much better than a sharp stick in the eye or two and half hours of “art.”

So let's try not to be "socially retarded anal-retentive developmentally arrested proto-adolescent with hostility issues". LMAO! :)

Jay 06-19-2009 08:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerfel
GI Joe fans, as a whole, are over-analyzing this.

I'm listening to the CREATOR of GI Joe, Larry Hama, who has seen the movie. Check out what he has to say at General's Joes: http://generalsjoes.com/2009/02/27/...ews-larry-hama/

Two of my favorite quotes from the interview:

GJ: Let’s talk about the big stuff first. You’ve been listed as a “creative consultant” on the upcoming big budget film, G.I. Joe: The Rise of COBRA. Can you be a bit more specific about what your duties were while you were on set?

LH: No. But, I saw the rough cut, and I loved it. And I am pretty picky. (I have never seen any of the GI Joe animated versions all the way through because they MADE MY TEETH HURT.)


GJ: In all honesty, there is a large percentage of the fandom who is very uncertain about the way the film has been progressing. How do you feel about how Paramount and the film makers are treating the “Spirit” or “character” of G.I. Joe?

LH: It’s always “cooler” to be negative; If you are a socially retarded anal-retentive developmentally arrested proto-adolescent with hostility issues. No, the movie does not adhere to the comic book canon. So what? It was a lot of fun to watch, I liked the characters, and it made sense. To me that’s much better than a sharp stick in the eye or two and half hours of “art.”

So let's try not to be "socially retarded anal-retentive developmentally arrested proto-adolescent with hostility issues". LMAO! :)

I'd been approaching this movie with cautious optimism in the past... but thus far the trailers have shown me very little that would make me want to see it.
Coupled with the very negative script review Paramount had yanked, and the news that Sommer had been fired from the film due to poor test screenings... it doesn't give me much hope that this will be enjoyable.

Even my friends who are not Joe fans, who have seen the trailers, have told me that it looked like crap.

So yeah, this is hardly "socially retarded anal-retentive developmentally arrested proto-adolescent with hostility issues". This is a generally-shared opinion.

Roland da Thompson Gunner 06-19-2009 10:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerfel
GI Joe fans, as a whole, are over-analyzing this.

I'm listening to the CREATOR of GI Joe, Larry Hama, who has seen the movie.


You're not listening to the CREATOR of G.I. Joe though, you're listening to a guy who was the last dude picked to work on a kiddie comic designed to sell toys.

There are HASBRO employees who were far more important in the scheme of things about G.I.Joe than Hama could ever dream of being.


As for G.I. Joe the movie, I like what they did with Ripcord finally he's got a character I can get behind!

Tracker 06-19-2009 11:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonneilon
All the entertainment magazines and whatnot are dissing it already. They figure it'll be a good popcorn movie but not have the coolness that that OTHER hasbro property pulled off (Transformers). The redux Batman and Star Trek, this is not. But as we all suspect, it'll be a fun action movie. Probably will end up with a cult following like Doom. ;)


yea but how much can one trust entertainment magazines as most are out of Hollywood and there views against anything remotely patriotic

zedhatch 06-19-2009 11:44 PM

Quote:
LH: It’s always “cooler” to be negative; If you are a socially retarded anal-retentive developmentally arrested proto-adolescent with hostility issues.


See that comment bugged me in many ways cause I see what it is. Its an old PR tactic to "Kill the messenger" before the messanger is able to give an informed opinion. In other words if the movie is crap, a person after seeing it will be labeled a "socially retarded anal-retentive developmentally arrested proto-adolescent with hostility issues" by those who are the "cheerleaders" who negate the consept that Hama was a paid consultant for the movie (and as such has a vested interest in promoting it, especially since he is trying to promote his own stuff of late).

And as has already been pointed out Hama didn't create GI Joe, he wrote the comic for it, also the comic (while having its great points) is far from perfect itself (IE SNAKE EYES featureing gi joe). I never felt the comic hit any form of stride until the teens and really didn't get its rythumn until aroud 30 or so, even after that there were lull points and even the best talls were marred with horrid dialouge (ie Cobra Civil War Serpy and CC use "Has been" and "better a has been than a never was" in thier arguement that sparks the war).

Pit Viper v2 06-19-2009 11:51 PM

Man, Larry Hamma sounds like a jerk.

neapolitan joe 06-20-2009 02:10 AM

Sorry, but I think that Mister Hama is the great traitor, the real murderer of his creation.
I'm reading the old Marvel comcs (I.D.W. reprint):
1) G.I.JOE classic 1;
2) G.I.JOE classic 2;
3) G.I.JOE classic 3;
4) The best of Hawk;
5) The worst of Cobra Commander;
6) The worst of Destro;
7) The best of Duke
Great stories, wonderful milestones with unique atmosphere, an awesome amalgama...all in the garbage now. :(
New generations'll see a movie called "G.I.JOE", but it's not G.I.JOE.
Two are the options for me:
1) Mister Larry Hama is nobody (I do not think so because he was the "Creator" of the G.I.JOE team as we know in 1982);
2) Movie makers are dictators...
C'est la vie...
http://www.theterrordrome.com/forum...php?f=12&t=3480

Jay 06-20-2009 04:21 AM

Guys, I don't mean to be rude, but Larry Hama pretty much created GIJoe.
Hasbro came up with the idea for a new GIJoe in a smaller, more affordable scale, and along with their advertising agency Griffin Bacal went to Marvel in hopes of fleshing it out further.
Granted Hama only took the job because nobody else at Marvel would, he still came up with the whole story, adapting his "Fury Force" proposal which Marvel had rejected into a storyline for this new GIJoe. He came up with names, personalities and the personnel dossiers of almost every Joe released between 1982 and 1994.
Of course, the cartoon was watched more than the comic was read, but still Hama came up with the personalities of the characters showcased in said cartoon.

Of course, the man is hardly perfect. Some time around the Ninja Force's introduction, the Marvel comic hit a pretty nasty downward slope that it never recovered from...

zed is right, though. Larry was a paid advisor to this film, so it's normal that he'd plug it... A number of years ago, Courtney Thorne-Smith did a movie with CARROT TOP and had to plug it in spite of it being, you know, a movie starring CARROT TOP.

Tracker 06-20-2009 11:03 AM

Quote:
It’s always “cooler” to be negative;


yea but it is so often true as is seem easier for society to be negative toward something than it is to be positive.

I always say the best way isn't always the easiest way, and too me all the negativity is the easiest way to be.

I read one Hollywood review that said that the only folks that enjoyed Gi Joe as kids was those that where dumb and beat up other kids in school, and those are the folk that will go to see the film.

I took great offense too that and that's way I want to see the film even it bombs just in spite of that type of review

Trench-Viper 06-20-2009 02:42 PM

It reminds me of the star trek movie reviews, the reviewers almost spent more time complaining about star trek fans than they spent talking about the movie itself.
I think sometimes that the movie creators feel that comic book fans should be gratefull for that the movie companies "bother" to make movies based on comics.
Instead they should be gratefull for being able to mine the comics for ideas! God knows they need them! It seems to me that they think that a bad movie is better than a good comic, simply because it will garner more money. Bad story telling is bad story telling no matter how hi-tech the medium. Speaking as a movie goer I am a bit tired of wire fu and I am afraid they maybe made it too modern with the acellerator suits stuff. I would have liked to see GI Joe done in the style of the soldiers in the transformers movie, or Jason Bourne style of movie just less brutal.
At the end of the day, its the sincerity of the actors and the director which will carry this movie if they have done a good job then this will be a good movie if they have slacked off and done it tounge in cheek... Then they probably wont get many new fans even though the movie might sell well.
One thing that really worries me is that the same guy that directed the sword fights in the pirates of the carabian sequel have worked in this movie too. The sword fights in the first pirates move was good but the fights in the two sequels were not as interesting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roland da Thompson Gunner
As for G.I. Joe the movie, I like what they did with Ripcord finally he's got a character I can get behind!
What did they do to him?


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