if your going to give them a chance, you should get a newer figure. there has been some, not a lot of improvement since the first 2 or 3 waves. try maybe one of the twins or firefly. storm shadow and the first waves are almost like straight arm joes to the swivel arm. well maybe not that much, but there has been some improvement.

speaking on the matter of no o-ring. my first thought was like everyone else. i hate change and i knew it was going to suck. still, unlike everyone else who had tons of joes from their childhood, i had hardly any. i never had hundreds to begin with. when i herd they were coming out with the 25th, i knew it was my chance to get the ones i never had as a kid, so i had already decided to get them no matter what. my friend jumped on board right from the get go and liked them better then the old stuff. it took me a few waves to come around. not counting the first wave or 2, i like them as much as the old stuff.

(IN MY BEST MAN FROM HASBRO VOICE)

" We have heard the fans, and although there are no plans for this in the near future, thanks for the....errr....the engineers,....uhm, thanks for the heads up, stay tuned, who loves ya baby........Aww, hell, just keep buyin our crappy toys! "

lol :D