If Duke died, Cobra would've conquered the world.

I don't know how, but just trust me. The world needs Duke.



(Also, I agree with everything Sonneilon said in his lengthy post.)

In my verse, Falcon would have gotten moved to Top Kick. It's a curious idea to knock off Duke. I'd probably do it but I don't know who would take over. I mean, if I HAD a Falcon figure, I could do it easier and just have Duke in flashbacks if needed. Then again, it's not like Duke has really shown up much in my dios of the last few years. :lol:

Urban Saboteur, see duke should have been killed off. i dont like the joe. theres nothing to him.and im happy that he lost Scarlett, to snackface. what ever side your on cartoon or comic. the top of the matter is he should have die. i rather have flint or falcon do the job.hasbro should see what there doing.you stay on the same joe.time after time. keep revamping him, and the line will be boring,and fans will have it out,seeing the same thing. he needs to go.

It may be one of the Sky Patrol.


Airwave, Dropzone, Skydive are all E-8's (Master Sergeants or First Sergeants).

And Altitude should be Duke's Boss anyway! He's the Top E-9 in the Army according to his file Card ( Sergeant Major of the Army).

Would we go by billet or rank?




That might work, but Falcon is a Commisioned officer. First Sergeant is an Enlisted Position/billet!




And Flint is a Warrant officer. To be put in a 1stSgt position would be a demotion!





That's what I hate the most about using Duke. HE alienates non-white blue eyed aryan america. He looks like a poster boy for Aryan supremacy! The "Perfect" blond haired, blue -eyed master aryan! The GI Joe team is a fairly decent cross setion of America, but by using Duke in EVERY POSTER, EVERY VIDEO COVER, EVERY MAGAZINE Ad, you don't showcase the cultural diversity of GI Joe. And the truth of the Matter is, a First Sergeant would NEVER be in combat with his troops unless it was a MAJOR battle!





Exactly! If it aint as overnight sucess as StarBucks, throw it away! No one in business today believes in making sales that will last for generations! If they can't drain the coffers overnight, it's a flop! That's why companies like Enron and WorldComm came about! How about earning money over TIME???

And as for Sigma six, yeah it brought new blood to the line, but it fractured the line Again!
They fracture it when they went from 12" to 3 3/4", then again when they made a few Extreme Fans and again when they made Sigma six and Sigma Six 2.5. There are too many lines and sizes to like. No matter what the next thing is, they lose fans of the other lines! The 2002 line didin't bring in the fans because there was no comic book, commericials, no 24/7 ad campaign to innundate us with the fact that GI Joe was BACK! They relegated the comics to a small comic book company that few have heard of....and these days, the comic book business is so fractured you can't keep a decent distributer bringing in the same line every week! Their failures are simply from lack of Commitment! They don't wanna put their neck on the line, so they make small gestures in obscure ways and wonder why they can't make sales!

'nuff said!

Ahem. What I didn't put in my original post...

Sigma6 wasn't the overnight success Hasbro wanted. IIRC, there was some sort of shake up at the top and a new GI Joe head came in. Somehow, they got it worked out that 'slow-and-steady' wins the race, not the highest horsepowered entity. So hasbro went back to whatever formula they were using and probably tweaked it.

Keep in mind, the #s that came in for the 2002+ stuff (including VvV) were good. But a bunch of bean counters only see beans and wanted more.

I wouldn't say that S6 fragmented the Joe line much. Hasbro needed to find a way to get to the kids and S6 really worked, believe it or not. It DID alienate the 3.75" fans, yes. But we all knew there was to be a 'hiatus' of 3.75" and it's possible that the S6 era was that hiatus. *shrug*

Also, Hasbro's plan was to put Falcon in Duke's place. That's a fact. Who YOU want to be top kick is an entirely different matter and should be seen as 2 different things. Yes, Hasbro wanted to knock off Duke but the outcry over Optimus dying freaked people out. Right up there w/ the Dixie Chicks dissing the gov't and Michael Jackson liking lil boys.

Now... People are bugged w/ the 25th Anniversary. Why are they going back to the original designs? Why aren't they trying something totally new in terms of themes and whatnot? Well, they did that w/ the 20th Anniversary and it ended up being called GI Joe vs Cobra (w/ t-crotch!). My own feelings say that GI Joe is following the Star Wars and Transformers philosophy. We've seen our fave Joes get a new sculpt/uniform treatment. Just as we've seen, uh, Transformers get all sorts of new versions. SW too, to an extent. Shoot, even He-Man got it and that was by another company! :lol:

I dunno. I'm cool w/ them going backwards for the 25th. They can do whatever they want after they get this out of their system, y'know?

do u know the reson why. the ideas stop. it the same ,from 3 3/4 all the way to Extreme. again thay repete , 3 3/4 back to Sigma 6. these guys that think there doing there jobs ,wrong. there doing the same back in 94, there doing it again,just with diffrent peoples . hasbro needs to look at this , and treat it as if was like a star wars line. thay need to stay with one thing and make it work. the new 4 inch that are comming out are cool and all , but why repete the same thing over. why not new joes.

Cuz the point of the 25th was NOT to do new Joes.

But the problem here too, is that, how many 'new' Joes have been embraced by the older fans? For dudes like Crosshair and Blackout, you get, uh, the V-Troops. Link Talbot. Neurotoxin. Razor Claw. Sure, someone like Widescope only got the get-go cuz Shockwave wasn't available at the time.

IF the 25th A can bring in a whole new generation of fans, then Hasbro can try out new things. Like adding new chars and bringing in vehicles. Problem is, each time they do a new series, they literally start over. Which totally sucks. I have NO IDEA how Transformers can do it, other than they have a larger fanbase (just as SW has THE largest fanbase).

Now, if you want to talk about the end of the original ARAH line, I believe current politics and watchdog groups were making their presence known. AND the Hasbro owners (Justin knows their names, it's two brothers. HAS-something or other + BROthers = HASBRO) have their own standards of what GI Joe is. Ever wonder why they used red and blue lasers instead of real bullets? Ever wonder why almost no one is ever shot in the cartoon?

But at least the 25th isn't starting w/ DEF and NeonGlowForce and stuff, right? :P

oh yeah... NOBODY knows why GI JOe Hasbro messed up the formula. Everyone out there knows that to have a successful toyline, you need a cartoon or movie. And it needs marketing. WHY the duders at GI Joe thought they could get away w/o the normal market strategy is beyond all of us. I agree Bravo. Get the formula and stay with it. (course, the toy analysts say that the toy formula actually changes and GI Joe tends to be 3rd place in terms of priority)

What I don't want to see is what's happened to SW and TF. The multiple confusing lines and whatnot. Classics, Alternators, Movie, This, That, Over THere... SW is just as bad if not worse. But I suppose that's what happens when the SW fans probably outnumber Joe fans 25-1. 50-1? *shrug*

I didn't mean that Flint would be demoted from Warrant Officer, just that he would be promoted to second in command of the Joe team under Hawk.

You know, it really alludes me just WHAT you've got against him Frank...........

I wonder, do you feel the same bile against Superman? He's a boy scout too, only with black hair............


The fact of the matter is, Duke is extremely recognizable for the very fact that he is '6 foot 2, eyes of blue'............much in the same way that the 'hotties' you guys all like to look at...........and honestly?? I've seen you give him more 'face time' with your rants than anyone else has with praise!!!

I think you've got a 'secret crush'!!!! :p

(now I'll just wait for you to 'pi$$' all over what I just wrote............ ;) )