rumor 2009 joe con set
 

OK this is just a rumor i got, so it may not be true,
the them for the upcoming set maybe Red Shadows, this came down from my friend, remember its just a rumor,this info came from my friend who as a friend that is a vendor,

Are the red shadows in the movie? I can't help but think the con set will have something to do with the movie myself. Or maybe not since we ARE getting movie figures. I dunno. I'll shut up. Red Shadows doesn't sound overly exciting. MAYBE a FULL PLAGUE team would work wonders tho!

Anything in ARAH molds would be cool. I'm plenty confident in what they can do with con sets. Just judge for what we had in the next 3 or 4 years. So, being Red Shadows or not, they certanly will rock :).

:confused: im not even going to ask :confused:

Hmmm, I was hoping for something better than the Red Shadows, so hopefully the rumour is incorrect. The con sets have been the shining light for us o-ring diehards, and even though last year's set was a bit of a let down, I'm hoping this year's set will be as awesome as usual.

Word.

wow , a dream come true , red shadows rules , im a big ARAH fan :D
im not into 25 th so im so happy about the con set

Excited about o-ring figures not excited about the $ they'll cost

Sounds interesting. There is a lot of potental. I was hoping for air commandos though.

that would have been some thing to see,

What are Red Shadows???
 

I have never even heard of them until now. And I have been a fan for 25 years. But that is all the buzz that the set will be Red Shadows. I personally havent bought much club stuff the Moth stuff and the Tiger Force stuff they did. I would love to get my hands on the Iron Grenadiers set they did but I just cant afford it. I hate the 25th line they ruind it with all the re-paints. Still short of them comming out with a Python Patrol, Slaughters Marauders, Night Force, Tiger Force or Sky Patrol I probably wont spend $300 plus bucks on it.

Now that sounds awesome! :eek:

I was trying to convey, THE RED SHADOWS SUCK!!!

The movie comes out this year. It'd make more sense to me to do a set based on the movie. BUT as we are already getting movie toys, then there's not much point cuz the con sets are supposed to be pretty 'special'. I'd rather see DD's Plague get made. Or maybe even something the fans really want. I'd find a DECENTLY DESIGNED Greenshirt vs Cobra Trooper set cool.

no they dont.
 

*coughs*
ahem.. the red shadows don't suck.. :D

dude red shadows don't suck, and i don't think they'll do anything with the movie, 2 different things, & don't think people will pay a high price just for greenshirts & cobra troopers. dude sorry i dont see this happening. if this rumor is true about this set, its going to make some series news

I just couldn't get into the Red Shadows. I found the storyline boring when DD played with it. They were just a rebooted excuse to kill Lady Jaye and try to make some cash in a crapy comic economy. And it didn't work.

I didn't think a crappy designed Dreadnok set would sell and it did. :p

In the last run of the Image comics, those Red Shadows were teh shizz. Their designs rawked, I'd dig to see actual figs of em. I'm excited.

i find that the red shadows are more interesting then cobra, even there leader is like 10 times more ruthless then CC, maybe if you read the action force comics it will bring you up to speed, as for the DD comics, they used it as to closed one door too open another, i think they did a good job on them, i was happy to see more international Joe's in the American comics.

I think you missed a few issues or something. The reason they started killing off everybody was to get a smaller and more manageable team to focus the stories on, and not get trapped into to much characters like the old comics did.
Killing off Jaye made Flint a different man - and to those who thought he didn't have an identity but was rather a Duke clone, this made him much more his own person.

They did spend to long getting there, but I liked what they did with the team, making it smaller and more focused.

You guys are funny. It's already been stated by the old writers at DD that the killing of Lady Jaye was just a way to make fast cash.

And you know how 1st impressions are. Vance Wingnut didn't do anything for me in the original Marvel series. ANd he did nothing for me when he made his 'comeback'. Shane explained to me that most of the Red Shadows come from the UK. Maybe they're ok. I just don't like how they were handled. But then, I didn't like the DD run and realize that I see the toys and my Joeverse as I see fit.

You guys wanna come up with your own customs of 'em AND do a dio where you go all out, go for it. Maybe I'll like them from someone else's perspective. Until then, the Red Shadows suck in my book.



I did read some of the AE comics. I found them boring. HOWEVER, by then I was doing my own stories and the comic was just a distraction.

What was funny? I missed something.

Ok. I'd propose sets like these.

MASK. Couple a Joe or two with the MASK team, bring in Miles Mayhem with a few generic troops and a Cobra character and there we go!



NINJA. I don't seem to recall a proper Arashikage set. Shoot, do the Blood Ninja or whatever they were called (you guys remember... Sei'ten, Budo, SNake Eyes takes over, funky vulcan spirit transfers). I'd take EITHER of those over the REd Shadows.

MASK???? WHY? WELL IF THEY MADE ACTION MAN I GUESS HASBRO WOULD'NT BE PASSED THAT IDEA. THEY ALREADY MADE A 25TH FIGURE OF HIM. AND NINJAS JUST AINT A BIG A DRAW AS BACK IN THE DAY. IF YOU WANT A KICK ASS SET MAKE THE PLAGUE, OR A SECRET MERCINARY SET OF NEW COBRAS OR A ROUGE JOE SQUAD THAT WENT UNDERGROUND.........OKAY SORRY TO MUCH T.V. FOR ME

I personally would love to see more MASK figures and even some vehicles.

MASK figures? I HATE crossovers, so forget that. Ninjas? I'll save my cash. Red Shadows? Meh, take 'em or leave 'em. Give me a Cobra SEAL set comprising airborne troops, Eels, and Cobra Marines, and I'll buy two sets. :)

Why do you hate crossovers so much? I thought everyone liked crossovers.

Action Force could possibly be a good set, the only thing I could see being a problem is that they'll screw it up somehow. If they do do AF they should do it like the 2007 :)

Not me, man. They just seem stupid to me. Joes and Transformers? Puh-leeze! I like my Joes pure. Besides, it's just a cynical way for comic publishers and toy manufacturers to try and sell more product.

I for one hope it won't be Red Shadows.



Because if it were Red Shadows, i would have to buy them !! Red Shadows would simply be too cool not to buy. And con sets are expensive. So me and my wallet are hoping it won't be Red Shadows. :D

Gotta agree, GI Joe should keep to itself. I thought it was stupid when Transformers appeared in the comics, it just didn't work.

A good idea for a convention set could be unreleased characters. Dr. Burkhart, CIA agent Anderson, Shooter, Billy (though I'm not a fan), Dr. Venom, CG Appel, Generals Ryan, Hollingsworth, Austin, Flagg & Admiral Dyson. That's just getting started, there's plenty that can be done without resorting to other toy lines.

I would say MASK is quite a crossover because under Hasbro's thinking, MASK is a part of GI Joe (then again, so was STreetfighter). It was said somewhere that the ROCC and RHINO are considered part of the MASK technology (the concept of 2-1 vehicles). The whole Transformers thing, I never got into even if was considered a HIT by the comic fans.

I would find an unreleased figure set interesting but con sets always have some sort of story behind them, right? I already posted my thoughts on a PLAGUE set (that would be 2 thumbs up).



Do we know if the con set will be ARAH or Bastard Era sculpts? I think there's more possibilities if they used the JvC-DTC era molds.




And would someone please answer me this. How many con sets were made last year and what was their price?

Oh... what about a "Jugglers" set (I hope i got the name right). I think that would be cool.

Where was this stated? And by old writers? you mean marvel writers that had nothing to do with DD? Makes sense they would make light of the other company when they take over the story no?

I don't see how they make fast cash by killing off a character - that means less merchandise in the end, if they really were that cash oriented wouldn't they bring in more main characters instead of making the team smaller? (Like Hasbro/Marvel did in the good ol' days).

I think he means former Devils Due writers. They make fast cash by killing off a character because people buy it too see how they die. Marvel advertised the death of Battle Force 2000 on the cover of the issue they got blown up in.

Still, doesn't seem to me like a smart strategy to earn money.
And truth be told, I didn't even know about the death of Battle Force 2000 so it seems even more far fetched.

If you follow the entire DD series you will see that they tried to cut the team down from the first issue. And not just by killing characters off. Something just feels wrong about that statement.
Oh well. Until I get a confirmation from the writer of the issue where Lady Jaye was killed (via an interview in a magazine or similar) then I probably won't believe them trying to make money off killing off characters which could potentially rack in more money in merchandise. It just seems to counter productive especially for a franchise such as Gijoe which relies on toy sales as well as the comics.

Killing a character in the comics doesn't affect the toy line. Hasbro has released new Lady Jaye figures since her DD death.

I remember reading the letters pages in the Marvel comics when they started killing characters and some readers complaining that their figures were no good anymore since they were killed off. Never understood that.

http://gijoe.wikia.com/wiki/Image:GJ_MC113.jpg

In the box it asks "THE DEATH OF BATTLEFORCE 2000?" they put that there too draw attention too the customer so they go "Whoa Battle Force 2000 might die? I gotta see this"

It's not like killing a character prevents a new toy being made. In fact they've made a Doc, 3 Breakers, 3 Flashes among other characters who were killed off in the comics.

Haradrel, Brandon Jerwa revealed a LOT of information. THings keep on changing at Hasbro.

WHEN Chuckles and Lady Jaye were killed, the comic fans were pretty ticked. Jerwa was shocked. HE pitched the Special Missions Chuckles story and that's how he pretty much got on board. Next thing he knew, he was killing Chuckles off in that Cobra War2 storyline. Jerwa was VERY upset by that whole thing.

Then the concept of the "Hasbro has a list of characters that could be killed." THis was the infamous BLACK LIST that only the writers and Josh Blaylock knew about.

THIS LIST was later squashed by, irrc, Brandon Jerwa. There was NO list BUT because Hasbro checked the scripts of comic, they would/could decide who could/should/would be killed. There was a time, as you all might remember, that if a character was killed in the comic, then Hasbro would follow suit and NOT make a toy for them. (It was suggested that if they do Lady Jaye, they could do it as a flashback story. Just like Mainframe, Flash, Chuckles, etc.)

It is NO secret that the death of Lady Jaye was just a ploy to sell more GI Joe comics. That is ALL it was. It had nothing to do with making Flint a different man. (That was just an end result.)

Now, the concept of making a smaller team (ie; America's Elite) came from the fact that the current book was failing in EVERY aspect. From the writer(s) to the art to the direction it was going to even, ahem, Blaylock's handling of the franchise. America's Elite, just like, Reloaded was a way to try and relaunch the GI Joe title. Blaylock came out and said, years ago, part of the reason for making a smaller team was to make it more like a video game. So many FPS games were based on just a few characters. The writers just wrote it as Congress not giving the Joes enough money, they needed to be smaller, etc.

All this information was told on the JBL. Years ago, the JBL actually had 'guest star' chats. From Josh Blaylock to Brandon Jerwa to even a few bigger stars. No, they couldn't get Sgt. Slaughter, but they tried VERY hard.


THIS is why I say you guys are funny. If you understood the politics and whatnot BEHIND why things were in the Joe comic, you might not favor the Red Shadows. But from what I read on the JBL, the WW3 was what GI Joe needed to get it back on track but that had more to do with making things end and getting it out of the boring routine it was going thru.

AND, I believe the 'killing of' concept is something the Big 2 did ALL the time to draw readers in. I can't speak on if it works. BUT some of us might remember when Jason Todd died in Batman. DC had the whole reader call-in and etc. Superman died. Batman got his back broken. Who KNOWS what happened in the X-Men to get people jiggy with them.


Battleforce2000 was killed in 1 very fast swoop and was NOT very graphic. Seeing as how it was Hama writing, he prolly hated them as much as hated Serpentor. BUT yet, Hama went ninja happy due to Hasbro's insistence.

For the record, notice which company has the GI Joe license now. If only you guys knew the fights behind THAT one. ;)