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Monte Williams
04-16-2010, 12:47 AM
Moderators, I realize this might fit more easily into the Creativity section, but since I won't be able to share the results of my creativity for several years, I think the debate belongs here. Please say that you agree. :)



I have spent several months planning an epic dio series. So far, it appears that it will be broken up into four “seasons” of ten episodes each, for a total of forty episodes. The catch, as I have noted before, is that while living in Africa, I lack the equipment I’d require to photograph the stories I want to tell, added to which I also lack the space to build the sets; there’s also the problem of availability of whichever figures, accessories, playsets and vehicles I might impulsively decide I need.

I won’t be living in the States anytime soon. It might be years before I get to tell these stories of mine. Hell, by the time those years have passed, who knows whether I’ll even want to tell these stories anymore?

Still, planning the details of these stories has kept me occupied off and on since August 2009, so I’ll always be grateful, whether I get to tell the stories or not…

Anyhoo, to the point of this post:

My stories will not just concern G.I. Joe characters, but characters from nearly every comic book, TV show, movie and novel I’ve enjoyed since I was nine years old. However, I have nothing much in the way of respect or regard or affection for the established continuity in the various properties I plan to exploit; I will change many characteristics of even the most beloved characters. (Snake Eyes = the secret lovechild of Brainy Smurf and Sunny Gummi. Just kidding.)

Indeed, I plan to change so many things about so many characters, that it has occurred to me that perhaps I shouldn’t even use the character names. Perhaps it would be better to take a Planetary/League of Extraordinary Gentlemen approach, whereby I create new characters who are thinly-veiled tributes to the original characters.

My question, at long last, is this:

Is it foolish to create a cool, semi-original character to represent, say, the Incredible Hulk (now a chain-smoking bisexual in an on-and-off relationship with the Wonder Twins; just kidding), when the toy one must use in the photos for the story in question must by necessity utilize an action figure that doesn’t look sort of like a thinly-veiled version of Hulk, but instead the actual Incredible Hulk? (Keep in mind that I am not much of a customizer, so it’s not like I can paint Hulk purple or something.)

Put more simply:

Should I make whichever changes I desire to decades-old characters, or should I instead create thinly-veiled versions of those characters, even though I can’t make their appearances thinly-veiled?

Thanks,

Monte

Monte Williams
04-16-2010, 12:57 AM
Ha ha, re: the note to moderators:

I cross-posted this at Joe Battlelines; it was directed at the JBL mods. Of course, the mods here at JoeDios should feel free to move this thread, too...

Agent Viper
04-16-2010, 03:47 AM
Well I'm still putting my dio into works too Monte, I don't believe that theres no problem with madifying the charcaters around.

I personally love the idea, Snake Eyes in my verse' isn't even a ninja! :D

Otto the Otter
04-16-2010, 07:17 AM
When I first read this I thought it said "Planned Divorce"

What I've seen a lot of Dio-Storiers do is to have a biography section where they can explain who the characters are. There is no rule that says when you make your own story that you have to follow the established character profiles, so if you want Snake Eyes to be a chatty auto mechanic, go for it. Call them by different names if you want, it's your verse. Call Snake Eyes "Box Cars" similar name so you know who he is, but he's then your own character. Leatherneack can be Devil Dog, Scarlett can be Dorothy, and Duke can be Pilgrim.

dancontrino
04-16-2010, 08:04 AM
[QUOTE=Otto the Otter]When I first read this I thought it said "Planned Divorce"

Holy s*#t, so did I! LOL! Monte, either way you are using creativity and inspiring others, which is a good thing. Utilizing canon for characters and diverging from there is a challenge unto itself. Simply appropriating characters for you own tale, with new backgrounds for these characters is admirable and challenging too. Devil's advocate aside, I think the folks here are the most receptive to vastly different uses for established characters, so I say do what you want in the interest of art.

P.S.-please don't get divorced :p

troopsofdoom
04-16-2010, 12:03 PM
I think if someone is doing a serious dio story they should stick to official canon, less confusion, more accessibility. But if you're going for comedy, anything goes.

General Scarlett
04-16-2010, 01:40 PM
[QUOTE=troopsofdoom]I think if someone is doing a serious dio story they should stick to official canon, less confusion, more accessibility. But if you're going for comedy, anything goes.[/QUOTE]
I can agree with you to an extent.........however, if one is tweaking things to put their own definition on it, then by all means be creative!

For instance, Flint and I have spent nearly 30 years honing our Joeverse by utilizing canon from the toon and comic while putting our own personal touch on it. We research the plausibility of things just so that it doesn't seem *too outlandish*.....but we make it our own.


As long as you can make it believable, then let those creative juices flow!!!

cyko
04-16-2010, 02:09 PM
I think creativity is great, but it can be tough on the reader sometimes. You expect characters to act a certain way. Creating characters helps; I mean a Snake Eyes head on a Mindbender body comes off very far from Commando/Ninja. To me.

But steel yourself up for heavy criticism. A lot of people just can't accept that Storm Shadow isn't a badass ninja or that Scooby Doo (?!) could get the slip on Zartan. Really, now that I think of it, the true challenge will be scale. Joes are mostly 3 3/4" while Sigma 6 might be their genetically enhanced brethren? Superhero figures seem to be midscale, except for some of the newer ones. And cartoon characters like Smurfs (you really gonna use Smurfs?) are usually pretty small. Which is fine for Smurfs, but you get the idea.

dancontrino
04-16-2010, 02:10 PM
[QUOTE=cyko]I think creativity is great, but it can be tough on the reader sometimes. You expect characters to act a certain way. Creating characters helps; I mean a Snake Eyes head on a Mindbender body comes off very far from Commando/Ninja. To me.

But steel yourself up for heavy criticism. A lot of people just can't accept that Storm Shadow isn't a badass ninja or that Scooby Doo (?!) could get the slip on Zartan. Really, now that I think of it, the true challenge will be scale. Joes are mostly 3 3/4" while Sigma 6 might be their genetically enhanced brethren? Superhero figures seem to be midscale, except for some of the newer ones. And cartoon characters like Smurfs (you really gonna use Smurfs?) are usually pretty small. Which is fine for Smurfs, but you get the idea.[/QUOTE]
how many smurfs does it take to make gold? :confused:

Death_at_Midnight
04-16-2010, 04:46 PM
[QUOTE=troopsofdoom]I think if someone is doing a serious dio story they should stick to official canon, less confusion, more accessibility. But if you're going for comedy, anything goes.[/QUOTE]

I agree with TroopsofDoom on this as well.

My Joeverse is somewhat in the same situation as yours--complicated story and sets, lack of space to build, lack of space to store, non-availability of key characters (i.e. custom figures that I have yet to build).

I've taken to writing the story with full dialog and description of the sets. Now I'm re-writing the whole thing to streamline it. I've taken a few pics and have storyboarded segments of it. It's most tempting to make a thread here and just document the story, like a script to a film, just in words without photos, until I am able to fully build all the sets.

In terms of character biographies, it is something I am thinking of doing as well. There are many custom figures that will make their appearance, and some new concepts, all of which the reader will not know too much about. So I am looking at the dio-story in terms of a play, with each chapter having a list of characters. To keep this simple, I am certainly not going to re-create the wheel and alter well known characters with new or deeper backgrounds. Just the customs that exist uniquely in my Joeverse will need explaining.

Hope this helps!

giTom
04-16-2010, 06:04 PM
[QUOTE=General Scarlett]I can agree with you to an extent.........however, if one is tweaking things to put their own definition on it, then by all means be creative!
For instance, Flint and I have spent nearly 30 years honing our Joeverse by utilizing canon from the toon and comic while putting our own personal touch on it. We research the plausibility of things just so that it doesn't seem *too outlandish*.....but we make it our own.
As long as you can make it believable, then let those creative juices flow!!![/QUOTE]

I agree 100%!

I had freakin' Pokemon in a recent series of pictures. I say, anything goes!

jedsoon
04-16-2010, 07:38 PM
[QUOTE=giTom]anything goes![/QUOTE]

True dat! Especially since you are incorporating characters from other established mythos. I can't even imagine how you could possibly hope to maintain the integrity of any particular established canon. Just looking at Joe alone, how many different conflicting histories have there been? I can't even reconcile the Devils Due era with the Marvel run, and they're supposed to be the same continuity. And they haven't even been around 30 years yet!