The movie

[rds13601]

Seen the trailer, the movie sucks. Destro as CC, accelator suits, that is from an order of battle that came out in 2002, it's the rise of MARS not Cobra.

[Jay]

[QUOTE=rds13601]Seen the trailer, the movie sucks. Destro as CC, accelator suits, that is from an order of battle that came out in 2002, it's the rise of MARS not Cobra.[/QUOTE]
Actually, Cobra Commander is Rex "The Doctor" Lewis, and by the end of the film he's revealed to be the big bad or something convoluted of the sort.

[Urban Saboteur]

[QUOTE=Jay]Actually, Cobra Commander is Rex "The Doctor" Lewis, and by the end of the film he's revealed to be the big bad or something convoluted of the sort.[/QUOTE]

Cobra Commander came from Dr.Mindbender? :confused: now i'm confused.. when did it ever mention cobra commander as being a doctor? if he was.. what did he need mindbender for? :confused:

[Jay]

[QUOTE=Urban Saboteur]Cobra Commander came from Dr.Mindbender? :confused: now i'm confused.. when did it ever mention cobra commander as being a doctor? if he was.. what did he need mindbender for? :confused:[/QUOTE]
Joseph Gordon Levitt's character has been identified as Rex Lewis. Joseph Gordon Levitt's character has also been identified as being Cobra Commander.

Thanks to all the promotional material and interview, the movie's big twist (The Doctor is the true leader!!!) has been spoiled from everyone.

[Black Knight]

my understanding was that "the doctor" and Cobra Commander were two different characters... CC is a doctor, but I don't thing he's "the Doctor".

[Death_at_Midnight]

I think CC and Duke were supposed to be friends at one time in the past.

Everytime I read about the movie, there's always some new bit of info that feels all crazy.

[Jay]

[QUOTE=Black Knight]my understanding was that "the doctor" and Cobra Commander were two different characters... CC is a doctor, but I don't thing he's "the Doctor".[/QUOTE]
No, he's "the Doctor".

[EasySimpleStuff]

Okay had to edit my existing post... I doubt its anygood anymore...

There are some major oddities in the story like :


Baroness and CC are siblings,
Duke was engaged to Baroness,
CC (Rex/Doctor) and Duke were "best buds",
Snake-eyes is to Scarlet "like a brother",
Ripcord is black :eek:
SS is Korean (so I've heard/read),
Zartan is bald :p
Brainwashed Cobra troops,
Supposedly Baroness is Brainwashed too...
CC is like SE = horrifically scarred
etc. the list could go on and on...

But like many have pointed out... its probably best as a mindless summer pocorn action flick...it will have zero impact on my 'verse and it will not be the G.I.Joe I know and love...but more like an interesting new take on the franchise...

[The BATman]

I'm typing this desperately trying to avoid reading more than the first few lines of the post above... This thread could have used a spoiler warning at some point...

[Death_at_Midnight]

No spoilers here:

The nature of this movie is to "reboot" the toy line... therefore I shall resist it as an attack on my Joeverse, which has had over 25 years to evolve the way it has. I shall resist the brainwashing... ;-)

With that said, it is interesting how some of the new figures might grow on me... for instance, the new Cover Girl and Scarlett. For some reason Cover Girl is looking to me like some sort of computer specialist, not the "heavy weapons specialist" her packaging says she is. It's probably that she comes with a laptop. And Scarlett I have already replaced the head with the 25th one and she looks way better. Both are leaning towards becoming a subset of my Joe team... the cyber-warfare group.

So far with the other new Joes, they currently are morphing into my existing Joe team/verse. So far i like them there and don't think the movie will influence me to make them any different than how I see them today.

But the Cobra neo-viper.... they look like something from the past. Cobra early days. The one I have doesn't have the posability of the Resolute Troopers, and I certainly will not army build these beyond 10 (at the max). That amount should be enough for dio purposes. But at the moment they do not truly fit into my Joeverse, so we'll see if I even use them beyond pic purposes.

[Jay]

[QUOTE=Death_at_Midnight].And Scarlett I have already replaced the head with the 25th one and she looks way better.[/QUOTE]
Pic please?

[Death_at_Midnight]

Okay, I'll see about taking some pics today. No clue about what set they'll be in, but a pic is coming....

[Outrider]

[QUOTE=EasySimpleStuff]...it will have zero impact on my 'verse and it will not be the G.I.Joe I know and love...[/QUOTE]

You said it man!

[pbarny1701]

First, since '82 GI Joe has essentially been a collection of trademarks that Hasbro can license out and profit from (comics, cartoons, etc). There's nothing wrong with that (well maybe by v10000 of certain characters there are). So in the broadest sense, there is nothing wrong with trying to make a live action movie.

The problem from everything I've read about it (avoiding plot spoilers) from production stories, to test audiance results, to people involved say that this will not be a movie I enjoy. It's going to be a bad movie because it'll have such a convoluted plot that is given little to no explanation given it's team of writers/director/producers. It has nothing to do with changing what GI Joe or certain characters are because they are just names for Hasbro to push product in the grand scheme.

Also, it'll suffer from the "too big and too interconnected cast/plot phenomena" that many multistorried or team based movies suffer from. I've only seen two movies made in 50 years (i'm much younger, just saying, TCM that's all) pull off a cast larger than 4 that is all interconnected. It's a Mad, Mad, Mad World and Love Actually. All others have failed in the area of plot or character development, and they never live up to the hype.

Some people say, lighten up, it's a pop corn movie. Sure, but they should at minimally try to have a story that makes sense or isn't so predictable, that it could be written by a Hills wanna be celebutard. It doesn't have to win an Academy Award, but it shouldn't automatically go for a Razzie either.

Cynical, yep, but I only got so much $$$ to spend on things like movies, toys, books, etc that the spouse has no input on. You know, 30 something with his own allowance. I waste it on a terrible film, that's one less figure or Star Wars book (another collecting hobby of mine) that can't be purchased.

Maybe, just maybe this time of thing should be done as a TV miniseries or something. 2 hours just isn't enough time to pull off the complexity that they're obviously aiming for and probably going to miss.

[zedhatch]

I admit I am not expecting much from it, not because I am an negitive nancy or anything but really the movie makers have had plenty of opertunities now to make me want to see it and they haven't. At this point I am only going to see it cause it says GI Joe, and that is the wrong reason to want to see a film.

[Sonneilon]

ACTUALLY, Zedhatch, some ppl go to movies to see the previews.

In any case... EVERYTHING (ok, 98%) that's been told, it's been known for quite a few months. But the Storm Shadow thing... I heard he's Korean but I thought ppl were referencing that Stormy is being PLAYED by a Korean, not Tommy Arashikage IS Korean. IF the movie makes the beloved Stormy Korean AND that's he's a Japanese ninja, that might be an interesting dynamic since Japanse HATE Koreans.

Anyway. Let's try to keep the GI JOE MOVIE bashing to one thread. I believe 1 has already been started.

[Death_at_Midnight]

[QUOTE=pbarny1701]Also, it'll suffer from the "too big and too interconnected cast/plot phenomena" that many multistorried or team based movies suffer from.[/QUOTE]


Well said!

This cuts to the heart of what I feel will be the fall of this movie. It's going to be too interconnected that 2 hours isn't going to work for it.

One aspect of the Star Trek movie success is that non-fan's got to understand the characters and the ST universe. The ST film didn't jump into the middle of a long history of characters and their inter-plays through the decades of character development.

GI Joe has a complex history of characters, made more complex by the various outlets.. cartoon, comics, etc. It's not going to be easy to translate a long and complex history in 2 hours.

I do agree that the right way would be to focus on a simple plot, have a sub-plot for leading into a second film, but keep things un-complex as possible. There's probably more $$$ to be made for Hasbro if they do several films than one that tries to cover all.

[EasySimpleStuff]

[QUOTE=The BATman]I'm typing this desperately trying to avoid reading more than the first few lines of the post above... This thread could have used a spoiler warning at some point...[/QUOTE]

Darnit... my bad there BATman!!!

Sometimes I forget that somepeople might still (want to) know very little about the movie...

Bu in my defence, I didnt know/realize the stuff I was pointing out would be new anymore... as it's been "out there" for some time now...

and of course they might not (all) be true afterall...(thats what I'm hoping at least)

And Sonn here is a spoiler about the Korean SS thingy and some others:


If I remember this correctly....
Supposedly SS was taught by a Japanese Ninja master in Vietnam and that SE was there too....as an orphan american/french or whatever his nationality is in the movie...they were like really really young (7-10 or something)

oh! and Heavy Duty is British...
Breaker is Moroccon...
Gover Girl is Tzeckh...
Scarlet is Canadian...
Baroness supposedly is american...

[Sonneilon]

Whoa... uh, ok EasySimpleStuff. Man, what a weird backstory to this movie!

[Death_at_Midnight]

In case anyone is interested, in the kiddie section of your local large bookstore may have a ROC Storybook with nice pictures of the movie.

[EasySimpleStuff]

[QUOTE=Sonneilon]Whoa... uh, ok EasySimpleStuff. Man, what a weird backstory to this movie![/QUOTE]


Tell me about it... I mean I understand a change here and there for storys sake and that it feels like a new take... but man thats just weird... I mean why couldnt they keep the backrounds similar to what they were...Now it feels that they are changing everything only for changes sake...not because it has a reason or purpose to be changed...

they are totally ripping everything apart... I think they are trying to squeeze too much into this and connect all people together....

[Jay]

Guys, meet the Hard Master:

http://movieblog.ugo.com/movies/gi-joes-hard-master

[Death_at_Midnight]

Ever wonder about Destro's mask?

[Kaffa]

I'll see it. From what I have read and heard, I won't expect much. But if I don't like it, it won't be the first time I paid to sit through a two hour film and came away not liking it. No big deal for me.