night viper?

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]hearing about some great new year sales, i started looking around. if some of these guys consider their prices sales i would hate to see their normal price. jacking up prices on joes to make money, nothing makes me sicker. it wouldnt be so bad, but a lot of these guys say their joe fans themselves. anyway, thats got me to wondering this. how much would you be willing to pay for this funskool night viper mint in bag, or what would a good price be?[/COLOR]
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[Urban Saboteur]

[QUOTE=lehsreh][COLOR=Red]jacking up prices on joes to make money, nothing makes me sicker. it wouldnt be so bad, but a lot of these guys say their joe fans themselves. anyway,[/COLOR]
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/GI_smurf/indianightviperdrivermib2.jpg[/QUOTE]

So you don't think that the original night viper should hold a true value amount?
What price are we talking here hersh?

Define for me what a jacked up price would be on Night-Viper?

If it's anything lower than $10 you should be shot.. :o

[gung ho]

[QUOTE=lehsreh][COLOR=Red]hearing about some great new year sales, i started looking around. if some of these guys consider their prices sales i would hate to see their normal price. jacking up prices on joes to make money, nothing makes me sicker. it wouldnt be so bad, but a lot of these guys say their joe fans themselves. anyway, thats got me to wondering this. how much would you be willing to pay for this funskool night viper mint in bag, or what would a good price be?[/COLOR]
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/GI_smurf/indianightviperdrivermib2.jpg[/QUOTE]




there about $7 on smalljoes soo out of the package in just a bag i'd say around $4-$3 for it

[gogorobo]

no accessories? well i wouldn't pay more than 10 bucks for a funschool night viper without any accessories and anyone charging more than that and calling themselves a fan well i don't know

[Outrider]

I bought a dozen moc Funskool NV's a few years back for about $6 (US) each. For a bagged one with no accessories, I wouldn't part with more than $4, maybe not even that. :rolleyes:

[vader9900]

What is being a fan have to do with what you charge or get for a item? If I have something & you want it, am I suppose to give it to you, because we are fans? I am a fan & I make a living selling toys & alot of them are GI Joes! I don't rip people off, but I do get FAIR market value! I can list a complete v1 Night Viper in my store for $20 & it will be sold within the hour! I am a fan, beacause if you don't want to pay what I am willing to give it up for, then it stays in my display case! That Funskool stuff is crap! I would not own one & sure as hell would not sell one to one of my customers! Its amazing how people don't want to pay for anything, but once they have something want to know what they could get for it! Capitalism is as American as GI Joe!

[gogorobo]

selling something complete at a reasonable price for the value it's fine but charging an outrageous price for a piece of crap and then claiming to be a fan while trying to rip off other people is just wrong

[Hammerfel]

I bought about 6 of the funskool ones a few year back. I forget what I paid, but they're cool! They're in the next couple chapters of my dio. :)

[Urban Saboteur]

[QUOTE=vader9900]What is being a fan have to do with what you charge or get for a item? If I have something & you want it, am I suppose to give it to you, because we are fans? I am a fan & I make a living selling toys & alot of them are GI Joes! I don't rip people off, but I do get FAIR market value! I can list a complete v1 Night Viper in my store for $20 & it will be sold within the hour! I am a fan, beacause if you don't want to pay what I am willing to give it up for, then it stays in my display case! That Funskool stuff is crap! I would not own one & sure as hell would not sell one to one of my customers! Its amazing how people don't want to pay for anything, but once they have something want to know what they could get for it! Capitalism is as American as GI Joe![/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more. This is exactly the problem with some people.
An original Night-Viper should fetch between $18-$20 MLC.

However funskool stuff is a cheaper alternative to army building, I guess if you wanted a diorama or scene with 15-20 Night vipers in it could get costly at $20 a go. :o

Still waiting on a response from the threadstarter.. :confused:

[lehsreh]

[COLOR=Red]a response, here.

i do not call buying a night viper at 8$ and selling it around 20$ fair. not a fan either, more of a collector. a collector buys for the price and in hope then in the future they can get big money. a fan buys for the love and help other fans out(like most on here, ender and many, many others). and as for calling the funskool crap, take a look, no big changes there. but i guess when your selling the original for 20$ or so you have to make the other stuff seem like crap so people buy your stuff.

i am a fan, never had a lot of joes as a kid, dont have a lot now. knowing how it is, i will try to help out the real fans by getting them whatever i can for the cheapest price. i think of most people on here as friends, even if i really dont talk to many and dont know them by their first name. thats why i could not sell a toy that i truly love and make a big profit from it. i understand making a few bucks here and there, to help get other joes i would want, but not double or triple the price. so ill just buy the funskool or wait for the 25th. [/COLOR]

[Outrider]

This is the free market at work, folks! If the seller asks too much for an item, I won't buy it, and that's the choice we all have. If the seller's items aren't moving, he'll soon drop his prices. If you don't like the price, there are plenty of other sellers out there! ;) Equally, if the seller is the only one with a particular item, he can darn well charge what he pleases; simple law of supply & demand. At the end of the day, no one can force you to pay a ridiculous price for anything.

[vader9900]

I want to know is WHERE ARE YOU GETTING NIGHT VIPERS FOR $8? What do you do for a living? Do you understand how retail works? You buy for one price & sell for a higher price to make a profit. I chose to sell something I know about & love - Star Wars & GI Joe toys! I am a Hasbro dealer, but do not sell the new stuff because I can not compete - I would pay less for a figure at WalMart than I can directly from Hasbro! So I sell vintage figures. I buy thousands of figures a year, clean then, put in new O-rings & match them up with their correct weapons & file cards. I research MARKET PRICES & do not inflate them. Without people like me doing all of the legwork, most "fans" would not be able to find mint, complete 25 year old GI Joes! So, yes I deserve a profit. Am I a collector, yes I collect vintage GI Joes & Star Wars figures. Am I a fan, you better belive it - there is not enough money in the world to pry my vintage Joe & star Wars figures from me! I also love posing my Joes & taking pictures of them, I check out all the Star Wars & Joe websites everyday, I go to conventions (not as a dealer) I go to have fun. I have given people here stuff for free, I have also made trades at a loss to help others out. But, I do make a living off of selling figures, I have 4 daughters to feed, it is not a glamorous living, I work at least 10 a day, 7 days a week! The payoff - I get to "play" with figures all day, I get to stay at home with my family & during my breaks I can photograph my figures, customize them & build dioramas. I'm sure there are some that are in it for the money, let me tell you there are other things I can sell to make more money. I do it because I love this hobby, I provide a service to collectors, and I am not ashamed of it!

[vader9900]

[QUOTE=Outrider]This is the free market at work, folks! If the seller asks too much for an item, I won't buy it, and that's the choice we all have. If the seller's items aren't moving, he'll soon drop his prices. If you don't like the price, there are plenty of other sellers out there! ;) Equally, if the seller is the only one with a particular item, he can darn well charge what he pleases; simple law of supply & demand. At the end of the day, no one can force you to pay a ridiculous price for anything.[/QUOTE]
Very wise statement! Thank you Outrider! I also sell alot of my items on auction on ebay - the BUYER sets the price there!

[Acantilado]

[QUOTE=lehsreh][color=Red]a response, here.

i do not call buying a night viper at 8$ and selling it around 20$ fair. not a fan either, more of a collector. a collector buys for the price and in hope then in the future they can get big money. a fan buys for the love and help other fans out(like most on here, ender and many, many others). and as for calling the funskool crap, take a look, no big changes there. but i guess when your selling the original for 20$ or so you have to make the other stuff seem like crap so people buy your stuff.[/color][/QUOTE]


Sorry, but I can't agree with the words. It is a simple matter of semantics. What you are describing here is a re-seller (can also be a collector: a re-seller collector). They do not perform any illegal act, of course, but from my POV, yeah, it is not "fair" (or insert here any other word you may find out to describe what they do); so, I NEVER buy from such people, simply because I don't want to help them to increase inflation.

Now, the second part, what you call a fan, I call it a collector (non re-seller collector). A collector is in 90% of the times a fan, but it may be possible for a collector not to be, I guess, but that's another subject. A collector is somebody who buys for himself, somebody who buys because he enjoys it, with no further considerations about what he/she can get for it in the future. I include myself in this cathegory (collector/fan). Sure, everybody has wondered how much may cost that item you have, but not because you are going to sell it.

Of course (editing while I write, because I've seen Vader's response) a re-seller can be a fan. I do not question that, nor I judge anybody. But I think what lehsreh is referring to is those people abusing on prices. I mean, I would NEVER pay $20 for a Night-Viper! I don't think there is a single one out there at $8, but there surely are some at $12-$15, wich is a more sensible price.


BTW, I completely agree with your second paragraph.

[Urban Saboteur]

Supply and Demand.,
Two words.. well three actually.. but you know what I mean.

I can definately appreciate where Vader is coming from, I don't work 10 hours a day 7 days a week, and the profits i get from selling on my store aren't alot, however I do have lots of time to play with GIJOE and other figures and i do actively seek out bargains, in a similar way lots to clean up figures and give fans the chance to buy into the figures and enjoy them much in the same way.

I think just because someone sells figures at profit doesnt make them any less of a fan because of it.. at the same time I can appreciate that whilst some people won't pay $20 for a mint loose complete Night-Viper, there are always other fans/collectors that will.

It's nice to get a bargain sometimes, and i've spoken to many gi joe fans that have built there collection on many great "scores" and bargains on ebay where they have got army builders or highly prized figures for a knock down price, this is kind of where the thrill in the hunt in the hobby comes in.

Night Viper is also notoriously difficult to obtain MLC because of the monocle piece. That S.o.B pretty much broke on me when i first got him all those years ago within the first few weeks. :o