wasn't my impression, but ok
Now we really need moderators!
Now we really need moderators! :p
Friends, keep calm. This is a forum/site about toys: let's try to forget the past and to go on. So try to have fun, as usual!
One thing Nekoman wrote is truthful and incontrovertible: "the moderator shouldn't be someone who just showed up to take the spot. It should be someone less involved with any cliques and has been an active poster here from before we needed a moderator".
Maybe someone did some errors in the past and now he'd apologize.
Outrider was a mith here and a gentle person, the best of us. His pics are the best of the best here still today. Probably 218, a great and good guy, nice friend of mine made an error. I'm sure he did not want to offend a person DIED (with cancer), "parce sepulto". He'd apologize by the way if he feels himself guilty.
Then for the others, it would be advisable to close or change name to the "Joedios haters" group now.
The "war" is over, the exodus is over. After 7 years. Or not?
I do not want to enter in this story/drama/issue. I do not care of it at all.
I believe again this is the best G.I.JOE site/forum on earth for a simple reason: it is mainly BASED on pictures. Hammerfel had a great Idea i.m.o..
Now, for exit from this "empasse" I suggest Hammerfel to nominate 3 persons:
1) Sonnelion or someone from his old "party", that I call the "scissionists" (the guys who appared here within 48 hours after 6/7 years);
2) Someone between the guys never left Joedios and with an old join date, the group that I call the "Old Guard";
3) Someone which does not belong to the two above-mentioned groups and that probably does not have interest at all in this anachronistic quarrel. Even better a guy with a recent join date, for example I think at people like Gijoeiwasthere.
These are my humble advices: otherwise I do not see any fast way out.
Well Put my friend! and Thanks!
Also, to clear some things up:
1: I don't hate Sonnelion. Anyone who wants to comeback can comeback and I let bygones be bygones. Peace.
2: I'm very hot under the collar right now, and you guys from Facebook should have known that doing a group shilling would start things off REALLY poorly. I'll talk to anyone and reaching out before reinvading would have gone a long way to seem less dubious and intimidating.
I created this thread for relaxing us all and for a brand new re-start:
Understandable! and sorry about the frustrations. I was a facebook hold-out, more so for not wanting my past to find me and attempt to reconnect (reunions etc....) so after a cajoling by Selvaland and a
tweak to my name, I have really connected with Action Figure Artists! A lot of JD members but tons more! I've found it refreshing, the way everyone is just basically a stand up guy and thrilled with the community...site after site with thousands of members from a global toy photography scene...really gracious people! I do however tend to stay out of politics as it's too heated and visceral and hopefully no one wants to engage me in that, as then I would have to engage them....just not worth the diatribes.
anyway, long winded facebook spiel over.
Usually I try to stay away from site drama. This is starting to get really ugly. But I think there are some things that need to be said in the open.
I agree, this site is about sharing images, art, ideas, techniques and our love for this hobby. Without this site, some of us would never have met each other, nor would we have grown as photographers. I will always have fond memories of this site and I learned so much from being here.
I'm going to be honest. I was alarmed when I saw what appears to be a coordinated effort to place 3 specific people as moderators out of nowhere. It comes across as forced. I'm not on Facebook, so I don't know what's going on with this.
From what I remember, this site used to have a very close close-knit community back when I joined 10 years ago. We rarely had any drama or fighting.
I believe there are several factors that led to where we are now. "Cliques" started to form, and this was made much worse when the 25th anniversary line debuted. Not everyone was happy with the new figure design, and made their opinions known. Obviously this led to fighting and caused a greater divide. This place has never been the same since.
I want to make this clear. I never considered myself part of a "clique". Prior to all the past drama, a number of us made accounts on flickr so that we could keep in touch with Outrider, who was having internet issues at the time and could not access Joedios for awhile. This was before he became ill if I remember correctly. For whatever reason, some members here didn't like this and saw us as a rival "clique". Things only got worse I feel after Outrider's death.
It's sad. I'd love to see this place become an active community again. I'd love to see the return of things like target range, or weekend warriors themes. I miss that stuff that encouraged participation and discussion.
One last thing. "you didn't know him like we did". What the hell? I have never seen a more disgusting statement on this site. There's more I'd like to say, but it's not worth it.
I've never been privy to the behind the scenes drama around here. I'm not a clique person and generally do my own thing. (I didn't know any of this was going on until I saw the mods photo and remembered there is a forum here.)
To me, though, JD is really what's left of the community. There's no new toys and pretty much everything about the line is known. So, all we have left is our love of the line and photos are the best way to show that appreciation.
I've never understood why JD isn't more heavily trafficked. Last spring, there was the photo contest and tons of people started posting photos and comments. It was like old times. But, behind the scenes stuff then ran some of those guys off and it was back to a ghost town in no time. Why is that? I really don't know.
I'd like to see the vintage Joe section and photo sections merged. I hate the anniversary figures with a passion and feel they destroyed the hobby. But, it's been 10 years now and there's a lot of people who do amazing work with them. I know I don't go to that section just because it's not my focus. So, there's people there I don't see and who don't see me. I think merging that dichotomy would be a good first step towards unifying the community. It would give more exposure to everyone's work.
I don't want to see old drama drive anyone else away. It's amazing to see the same names from a decade ago still around and it's great to see brand new users start posting their work. Lots of us have been at this for a long time and we all appreciate new Joe content when there is so little out there anymore. It's tough to let old issues go. I still hate the club. But, I've gotten to a point where I can appreciate their product and generally not let them ruin the other parts of the hobby I do enjoy. Hopefully, we can do that here, too.
Setting the record.
Just so everyone is on the same page... I contacted Hammelfel (Nathan) asking him if he is an active on the site. He said he said not very. I will support it because I love the art but I don;t shoot dios anymore (no room). I stated to him, Fantastic, there is talk of quite a few people wanting to come back to the site and start posting again. Is there anyway to make Graham a mod? I miss the site as well but when there was issues in the past I left with everyone else.... The conversation continued. He asked who I thought would be a good mod. That is where I requested Graham and I stated that I would not mind the responsibility either. We are all familiar with the old guidelines and rules put in place. We are not going to "force" any new rules, just enforce old ones. Everyone has equal right to JDs that is in good standing. Yes, I am aware that I only have 600 some odd posts..Kinda low for a Veteran that has been here since 2008. I usually don't have much to say when It comes to dealing with issues, however that has changed since then. I am coming back since this is my birthplace into toy photography. I am coming back because I enjoyed what JDs was before I left. I am coming back because of my love for the hobby. I don't expect everyone to be happy with the return of so many of the "Old Guard" There will be some grumbles and moans which I am seeing already. If you are part of the problem you are not part of the solution and will be handled accordingly. We are all passionate about our hobby. Now is not the time to let egos and feelings inhibit our ability to bring this site up and beyond everyone's expectations. We all have different skills we bring to the table. This site was created to share those with others and help others grow where they lack in that skill. We all have a different perspective of how we see a photo should be taken. Its not wrong or right, it's how we view the art. I need to give a shout to Neopolitan Joe for his skills so far in handling the situations that are arising. We all need to be patient with the current issue.
Also, it disgusts me on how people are fighting over who knew Craig (Outrider). Yes the man is a legend. Leave it at that. The man is no longer with us, fighting about him is disrespectful to his legacy. Knowing him was a pleasure, not a token or a badge of honor. I WILL NOT TOLERATE DISREPECT FOR THOSE THAT HAVE PASSED. This is a final warning to everyone making this an issue...
See, this is what scares me about you guys. What does this line mean? I want you to elaborate. It sounds like you've come with the direct intentions of running people off.
It also matches with the tone of this post from yesterday:
Now I hope Hammer won't mind me saying this because I spoke with him a little a few days ago too. He doesn't want the moderators to all be from the same clique. This isn't an election like a few of you seem to think it is. He just wanted a consensus on well respected members, probably for mod number 3 I guess (he wasn't too clear).
I don't like what you've said, but do please talk to me. We're getting somewhere with a broader discussion at least.
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